points shaving at UTC new england?

[Jeff Rodriguez]

During one match team #95, lost a match on purpose, to give the other team ALOT of qualifying points. It seemed like the absolute wrong thing to do. What do you guys think about doing this to get picked in the finals? I think if you're not trying to win, then go home.

[meaubry]

Please do not post accusations like this on this board. I think theres been enough mud slinging already this year. I don't even care to know how you heard it - let's be civil and professional enough to stop it right here. Thanks - so much.

[Matt Attallah]

Originally posted by meaubry
Please do not post accusations like this on this board. I think theres been enough mud slinging already this year. I don't even care to know how you heard it - let's be civil and professional enough to stop it right here. Thanks - so much.

I totaly agree. Lock this forum, and all the other forums about spreading rumors ASAP!!!

[Jason Haaga]

Although I disagree with my team mate's lack of discretion...

Point shaving was a pretty big issue. I'm not going to put up team numbers, but in the pits I overheard a few at least suggestions of it, and we were approached and asked to rig a match once (we declined and won the match). This is actually technically okay to do apparently; there are no rules against strategizing with opponents as well as allies. We even asked the refs and judges about it after the rumors about 95 (no clue how valid those are, maybe someone should put up the footage so people can decide for themselves what happened). Instead of locking a discussion about this, I think it would do well to discuss it without naming teams or specific incidents.

[Mark_lyons]

I watched the match in question over the internet and was really puzzeled as to what 95's strategy was. I think even Woody mentioned something once the match was over about what had happened.

From what I could see, they gave up a TON of QPs and would have seeded higher (I think they made the top 8) had they teken the match.

Regardless, I am very curious about that match.

[Andy A.]

Ok, I want to kill this one for the last time. I'm not going to explain it again.

WE WERE NOT THROWING A MATCH TO MAKE FRIENDS FOR FINALS.

Our partner was dead from the getgo, they told us in the pit's their tranny was shot and they couldn't move. Since the other teams were both goal handlers and we can't handle goals for beans, we knew we would lose no matter what we did.

So we made the best of the situation.

We talked to the other teams and told them: you are going to win. We know it, you know it. But, if you let us play balls we can run up our score (95's) so you get 3 times 40 instead of 3 times 20 or what ever it would have been. They get 3 times our score, and we get our score. Both sides won, they just happend to win 3 times as much as us.

WE WERE NOT THROWING A MATCH TO MAKE FRIENDS FOR FINALS.

I can't say that enough. All we wanted to do was maximize our qpoints and that of our partner. So we told everyone to just let us play all the balls we could and have some fun and not kill each other. It is a perfectly valid strategy. If you had bothered to think about it, you would have been able to figure it out.

So please, stop saying we rigged the match, this isn't boxing for christs sake.

-Andy A.

[Kaitlin Palmer]

I would first like to comment to team 173 that, despite my loathing of one members COMMENTS, you had an awsome bot and I congradulate you on you accomplishments.

Listen, as a driver from team 95 I can also say that there is no reason in a very warm place, to say that we did what we did to get into the finials.

First off, in my opinion, we had a kick %%% robot this year and didn't need to beg and pleed to get into the finials, we were second seed for quite some time. This is the best team that 95 has had in YEARS, and to say that we would do something THAT low just to get into the finials is a hitting below the belt

If you noticed in some of the finial matches there was a score of 0, and last I checked my math, factoring 0 into averages doesn't do anybody any good.

Team 95 was backed into a corner, with a dead bot for an ally. We just had the frame of mind to do what was best for everybody involved. We lost by more than some people won.

So if anybody else has a problem with thinking outside the box then maybe they should go join battle bots.

Kaitlin Palmer (the driver with green dreds)

[Joel J]

Originally posted by Kaitlin Palmer
I would first like to comment to team 173 that, despite my loathing of one members COMMENTS, you had an awsome bot and I congradulate you on you accomplishments.

Listen, as a driver from team 95 I can also say that there is no reason in a very warm place, to say that we did what we did to get into the finials.

First off, in my opinion, we had a kick %%% robot this year and didn't need to beg and pleed to get into the finials, we were second seed for quite some time. This is the best team that 95 has had in YEARS, and to say that we would do something THAT low just to get into the finials is a hitting below the belt

If you noticed in some of the finial matches there was a score of 0, and last I checked my math, factoring 0 into averages doesn't do anybody any good.

Team 95 was backed into a corner, with a dead bot for an ally. We just had the frame of mind to do what was best for everybody involved. We lost by more than some people won.

So if anybody else has a problem with thinking outside the box then maybe they should go join battle bots.

Kaitlin Palmer (the driver with green dreds)

Team 95 .. "3-2-1, GO..OMG, they're done" .. thats what we all said when we first saw you guys. You guys were no doubt the fastest ball grabber at the regional. When I spoke to you guys in the pits you said you put all your effort into making your ball grabber as good as it could be and as far as I saw you succeeded. As for ogre's comments, I was there when some people from 95 told us what you guys did and it was exactly the same thing that Andy A said. BTW, you guys figured out how to turn those balls into popcorn yet?

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Originally posted by Andy A.
Ok, I want to kill this one for the last time. I'm not going to explain it again.

WE WERE NOT THROWING A MATCH TO MAKE FRIENDS FOR FINALS.

Our partner was dead from the getgo, they told us in the pit's their tranny was shot and they couldn't move. Since the other teams were both goal handlers and we can't handle goals for beans, we knew we would lose no matter what we did.

So we made the best of the situation.

We talked to the other teams and told them: you are going to win. We know it, you know it. But, if you let us play balls we can run up our score (95's) so you get 3 times 40 instead of 3 times 20 or what ever it would have been. They get 3 times our score, and we get our score. Both sides won, they just happend to win 3 times as much as us.

WE WERE NOT THROWING A MATCH TO MAKE FRIENDS FOR FINALS.

I can't say that enough. All we wanted to do was maximize our qpoints and that of our partner. So we told everyone to just let us play all the balls we could and have some fun and not kill each other. It is a perfectly valid strategy. If you had bothered to think about it, you would have been able to figure it out.

So please, stop saying we rigged the match, this isn't boxing for christs sake.

-Andy A.

Thank you for clarifying my view on that.

[STonn]

Team 95, you had a great robot. I watched one match and after the start buzzer went off I blinked or something and when my eyes opened you had 20 balls in your basket... amazing stuff - 6 seconds.
You handled yourselves well throughout the competition at UTC and in the finals. You impressed a lot of people, including us. Our coach nicknamed you "popcorn popper!" Best of luck this year.

~Synthia Tonn
Driver, Team 121

[Jeff Rodriguez]

My original intent was to ask people opinion about fixing matches. I'm sorry fro offending or angering anybody. I'm still interested though, what does everyone think of fixing matches? We were approached at the New England reagional to fix a match. The way i saw it was that the opposing team came up to us, and said(the way i hear it, sorry if its not exact) 'you know your gonna lose, so we wanna let you so you will pick us for the finals. I take statements like this as a slap in the face. I took that very personally and made it a point to try and win th match, which we did. What do you think?

Again, i'm sorry for wrongly accusing people.

[Keith Chester]

Post not when in anger.
If you're in anger, keep your mouth shut.
It is 100% guarenteed to prevent you from saying something stupid.
Just a suggestion.
95 had a great machine, and I have not encountered any "rigging" of matches. However, I do see how it could be count as legal. It is a strategy. But for the record- team 25 will never do it. It's kind of a honor thing.

[Joe Johnson]

FIRST is like no other game we know.

Getting QP's is the name of the game until the Elims. We all know this going in. It is very weird, but we get more points when our opponents get a lot when we win or when we get a lot when we lose. This is no secret.

I think that telling your opponent's your strategy if you want to is part of the game.

I have advocated de-scoring for yourself if a team takes all 3 goals and will not give them up. How can I be against what #95 did?

I have also heard of a non ball team that could get 2 goals and get home via a tether tell their opponents (who were ball handlers, mainly), "We are are going to get 40 points this match -- you can try to stop us if you want but you will likely be unsuccessful and more than that you will likely get a very low score -- If you get 41 points, you will win. Go for it."

Is this any worse?

In another match our opponents said, "Let's run up the score on this one!" Was that a wink and a nod they wouldn't play defense? I don't know, I don't care. Was it some how against the spirit of the game? I really don't think so.

Gathering QP's is a weird business -- by design! If weird situations arise, should we be surprised?

Play on...

Joe J.

[Jgreenwd1]

I thinck andy did the right thing.
Instead of hurting both of the teams.
He helped both of the teams get higher qp points.

[Kris Verdeyen]

Originally posted by Joe Johnson
I have also heard of a non ball team that could get 2 goals and get home via a tether tell their opponents (who were ball handlers, mainly), "We are are going to get 40 points this match -- you can try to stop us if you want but you will likely be unsuccessful and more than that you will likely get a very low score -- If you get 41 points, you will win. Go for it."

This is similar to one of the strategies our team discussed. One of our engineers advocated going up to the opponent and telling them that one goal was theirs, and that we would never touch it. Weended up deciding against it because it was just too weird.