FIRST and National Media

[n0cturnalxb]

Yeah. Um.

I, for one, was just completely oblivious to the fact that it was copyright infringement.. I guess I went and thought, since Discovery released it on TV (and not on some more tightly-regulated thing like.. a DVD or something), it's like.. as if someone wrote something about first online.

Taping it and not using it for commercial purposes (but to help learning).. I just reasoned as it being as if someone took excerpts from an online article, giving credit all the while, and displayed it elsewhere for general knowledge. After all.. yeah, taping and selling it would be obviously wrong, but.. yeah.

I guess that was just my reasoning, I had no clue it was piracy or copyright infringement until Dave pointed it out.

Ahh well, you learn something new every day... sorry, Discovery Science. =\

[Rich Kressly]

Thanks n0cturnalxb. Lets all move forward and work together to increase the media attention in positive ways.

[JVN]

Originally Posted by n0cturnalxb

I guess I went and thought, since Discovery released it on TV (and not on some more tightly-regulated thing like.. a DVD or something), it's like.. as if someone wrote something about first online.

Yes,
This thread is definitely raising some ethical issues most people don't even realize they're dealing with.

Remember folks,
You need the express, written consent of FOX Sports and the NFL to show a taped football game.

John

[dlavery]

Rich et al-

Great idea, and great discussion. Taking this to the next step, people can also write to ABC Entertainment (ABC, Inc. 500 S. Buena Vista Street, Burbank, CA 91521-4551, Phone number: (818) 460-7477) and let them know of your interest in getting the the FIRST Movie completed and on the air. If you really want to make an impression on them, come up with a really great idea for a FIRST story and contact one of the news magazine shows yourself to tell them about the idea (e.g. "20/20" or "Primetime Thursday" - 147 Columbus Ave., 10th Floor, New York, NY 10023 or "Nightline" - 1717 DeSales St. NW, Washington, DC 20036).

And then once they film the story and get ready to broadcast it, let us all know! When it is broadcast, invite the entire team over, stock up on Diet Cokes and Krispy Kremes, cook up ten batches of popcorn, and let everyone watch it on big screen TV together. You can even tape it and save it for your own personal use (and certain educational and research uses that staisfy the criteia for permitted exceptions) - just don't distribute it or re-broadcast it.

-dave

p.s. For anyone that is confused about how we got here, this thread and this post kicked off this whole thing. It started out as a great discussion, but took a right turn in the middle somewhere...

[Rich Wong]

Originally Posted by dlavery

Rich et al-

Great idea, and great discussion. Taking this to the next step, people can also write to ABC Entertainment (ABC, Inc. 500 S. Buena Vista Street, Burbank, CA 91521-4551, Phone number: (818) 460-7477) and let them know of your interest in getting the the FIRST Movie completed and on the air. If you really want to make an impression on them, come up with a really great idea for a FIRST story and contact one of the news magazine shows yourself to tell them about the idea (e.g. "20/20" or "Primetime Thursday" - 147 Columbus Ave., 10th Floor, New York, NY 10023 or "Nightline" - 1717 DeSales St. NW, Washington, DC 20036).

....stock up on Diet Cokes and Krispy Kremes......

Definitely a good campaign idea for this Fall. Hopefully, ABC (or NBC Dataline) will come on board for the January Kickoff and report weekly on their show the progress of selective teams during FRC 6.5 weeks of robot building. Even 5-10 minutes a week of reporting will be great PR. The whole CD/FIRST community will promise to watch their show!
1000 teams can translate to a large viewing audience!!!!
I'll even watch the commercials too.

(BTW Dave- Diet coke & Krispy Kreme; an oxymoron?)

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by n0cturnalxb

I guess I went and thought, since Discovery released it on TV (and not on some more tightly-regulated thing like.. a DVD or something), it's like.. as if someone wrote something about first online.

Things written online are just as likely to be copyright as things on paper or things on TV.

There is a myth that anything online is free or not as 'real' as something on tv or in a book. Guess what, it is the content that matters, not the medium.


Wetzel

[n0cturnalxb]

Originally Posted by Wetzel

Things written online are just as likely to be copyright as things on paper or things on TV.

There is a myth that anything online is free or not as 'real' as something on tv or in a book. Guess what, it is the content that matters, not the medium.


Wetzel

Oh, I know - content, not medium. I just took the whole thing to be something like an online news article (e.g. from CNN.com) that you're generally allowed to show/use for educational or research purposes as long as you give credit to the correct source.


Addendum..

As for the rest of this news media stuff - sounds really interesting. Never thought of getting publicity for FIRST this way.. but.. hmm.

Might prove to be another attractive procrastination device..

Heh, and if FIRST gets more recognition in general, maybe my school'd finally give us a little monetary support >\

[KelliV]

The news media would be awesome!

I know that I have given one of our WildStang DVDs to my mom's boss who gave it to his good friend, the dean of admissions at RIT and from what I have heard it is currently bouncing around the Eastern Coast somewhere.

I guess that's a step in the right direction... now all we need is National TV coverage of the FIRST Program!