Breaking the Geek-FIRST Bias

[Matthew_H]

Our team name is Ubergeeks so it would be hard for us to fit what we really are. I found found it is easier to make geek cool than to distance yourself from your inner geek.



Get your geek on!

[Kristina]

Here's another way of looking at it:

Maybe people aren't concerned as much with the "geek-bias" as much as they are worried about being excluded from another clique. A lot of you may be scratching your head or just thinking that I'm crazy but the "popular crowd" is not the only group of people on campus who can be exclusionary. I'm not saying that this is universally true, but many times a group such as the robotics team can be consciously or subconsciously exclusive, or even just appear that way to others.

It's easy to say that it's people's loss if they can't figure it out and how great FIRST is, but isn't the purpose of FIRST to inspire people in science and technology? Why is this subject so near and dear to me? Because I would have been one of those people who didn't get it. It's not that I was afraid of being labeled a geek, I already know that I am, but rather that the robotics team at our high school was a really tight-knit group, and they all seemed to be like the same type of person...the type of person I couldn't identify with. However, after some active recruitment by my friend, the team leader, I joined in and realized how unique the personalities were and how many different opportunities FIRST provided.

So in my humble opinion, I think that FIRST should not be a passive club in terms of recruitment. Sure you can have the mentality of "they can come, and we will be here when they're ready to accept our geekness" but I think if you want a spectrum of ideas and talents, you have to go out and get people. It's great for FIRST to be a training ground for people who have already decided to be engineers but wouldn't it be even better if you get more people interested in science and technology, and the different ways that people can use their talents in that field?

[karinka13]

Originally Posted by Matthew_H

Our team name is Ubergeeks so it would be hard for us to fit what we really are. I found found it is easier to make geek cool than to distance yourself from your inner geek.



Get your geek on!

your team name definatley wins the best team name ever award!

[Phil 33]

I have fought for years to control the perception of "robotics kids" as geeks. Not because I have any problem with being a geek, but because I want other students to realize that FIRST is something that anyone can do.

Despite my best efforts, things aren't going to well. It's not that we haven't tried. We've done demonstrations, displays, announcements, and all types of recruting stuff. But we still don't generate enough student interest. I still take crap from EVERYBODY (students, teachers, even janitors) about being on the robotics team. It's kind of depressing. You work so hard to recruit people to FIRST, or to at least improve their understanding of FIRST, and get nowhere. I have found there are some fundamental problems.

1. It's extremely difficult to explain to people what exactly the FIRST experience is all about. You can show them your robot, you can show them video, you can make fancy displays, catchy advertisments, and make some really good presentations, and still not be able to explain what FIRST is all about. My point: You really don't "get" the FIRST experience until you've done it, until you've worked 5 late nights in a row building a robot, until you've traveled to a regional, until you've gone on some 12 hour road trips with your team, until you've spent a day in the pits. Maybe you can bring people to a competition, if you're lucky, but you still cannot really make them understand what FIRST is all about.

2. Since it's next to impossible to really make someone understand the FIRST experience, they have to actually join the team if they will ever "get it." Joining the team involves taking a risk, doing something they know nothing about. People are reluctant to make this risk. They know what football is, they know what soccer is. It's much "safer" to join a sports team that you know something about, than it is to join a "robotics team."

3. In order to make this risk something that was worth doing, they have to get something out of their FIRST experience. Some people will join the team, and really not get much out of it. How much a student gets out of FIRST depends on what they put into it (like a lot of things in life.) Many people don't realize this. FIRST doesn't impact them the way it does to many of us because they've put nothing into it! You will only have a worthwhile expeience in FIRST if you put some work into it (yes, work. Of course, you'll also have tons of fun)

4. Many people don't want to put this work into it. Point made. No matter how much you push some people, they don't want to do any work. As such, they will not benefit from the FIRST expereince. A great thing about FIRST is that there is always something to do, if you are motivated enough.

When I first joined my school's robotics team as a freshman, all I knew was that I was joining a robotics team, I knew nothing of what FIRST was. The obvious fact that the robotics team build robots appealed to the geeky side of me. I wanted to build robots, because it sounded like fun. When I was first introduced to the FIRST/Dean Kamen idealology, I didn't really think to much of it, I just brushed it aside and ignored it. But I have come to realize how true it actually is. I look around school and the students and the teachers all GLORIFY the sports teams. The robotics team is just something there to be made fun of. And Dean Kamen is absolutly right about this, it is a fundamental culture problem. Once you realize this, you want to change it. I have tried, and continue to try A LOT. But you have to understand the forces you're working against. They are powerful, because people are stubborn, and they don't like to change their opinions.

And at some point you realize this: FIRST is not for everyone. You have to pick your battles, and aim for small victories. Don't try to win everyone over. Talk to your friends, talk to indivdual people one on one. Anyone who expresses some interest, talk to them. That's how you get people to join FIRST. Giving presentations to the whole school is great (and our team has done it) but like I said, small victories. You can give your presentation, but most people walk away without thinking about it. But if two people come up you you after the presentation you gave to 800 people, those are the people you've got to aim for.

And as for that whole "geek" perception of "robotics kids" at some point you stop caring. People will make their comments, and take their cheap shots, but I've really stopped caring. Never let what other people think stop you from doing what you love. We all know that FIRST is not just a geek thing. But there's a lot of people who you will never be able to convince. So here's my advice: Don't even try for these people, because those are the type of people you don't want on you team. Let them think what they want.

The whole issue that you brought up, about changing people's perception of FIRST and recruting team members is a complex one. There is no right answer. But I've already given you my advice (which many people disagree with): Don't try to change everybody's opinion, it's impossible. Let some people think we are geeks, don't let it bother you. Aim for the individuals. I know FIRST is all about changing society. But my approach is one person at a time. Of course, the realistic side of me realizes we will never "win" this way. But I don't care. I don't want to win everyone over, because there are a lot of jerks out there, who I really wouldn't want on my team. Focus on the indivuals, recruit, inspire and you won't have changed society as a whole, but 1) You'll have a great team with great people and an experience you'll remember for the rest of your life. And 2) You will have inspired at least some people. It's still worth it.

Sorry for the long rant. The thoughts just kept on coming...

[Mike Schroeder]

Originally Posted by Phil 33

And at some point you realize this: FIRST is not for everyone. You have to pick your battles, and aim for small victories. Don't try to win everyone over. Talk to your friends, talk to indivdual people one on one. Anyone who expresses some interest, talk to them. That's how you get people to join FIRST. Giving presentations to the whole school is great (and our team has done it) but like I said, small victories. You can give your presentation, but most people walk away without thinking about it. But if two people come up you you after the presentation you gave to 800 people, those are the people you've got to aim for.

oh my poor misunderstood friend, here lies your problem, FIRST is for everyone, its for the "athlete"(human player) its for the "computer nerd"(autodesk inventor, 3dstudiomax, and robot programing, webpage design) its for the (and this is just my opinion) really really scary way to peppy people (no offense) ( Public relations, Cheering) its for the "Englishmajorextrodinare"'s(award submissions), is for those that are handy with tools(that whole building robots thing) there are hundereds of jobs for anyone who wants to do anything on a team
I think FIRST teams have evolved from just a group of kids building a robot, they now have to be thier own business and in most business their are jobs for everyone
i try to stress this every year to everyone who joins our team, THERE IS A JOB FOR YOU you just have to find it

by the way when someone calles me a dork or geek, i tell them to look up dork and geek in the dictionary, and that i would rather be called nerd