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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Looking through here I notice no one has mentioned alliances of 4 with 2 competing (so 8 teams on the field at a time)... I be this is it.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

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If I were looking for a clue, I would be looking to John Neun. But that is just me.

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Hey! that was my fourth post of the day! Woohoo!
I'm not certain because I don't have access to private CD forums so maybe some exclusive members could confirm this...
Dave only made 1 post in a public forum that day.

Could that mean that the #4 and #1 are a clue? For instance, a game where 4 robots are on the field, but with no alliances. I would imagine this would necessarilly be everyone for themself but more like the bridge balancing year.

It's important to remember that the Isreal regional is a little whacky with only 11 teams. Which means the game must also work for them. Something to think about.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Twice put to the public "you design the game". Here were some responses that kind of match the current clues. Especially the last one.

2 honorable mentions:
1 - 2

But I think we have a winner:
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Eat desserts first? Great... As you know desserts spelled backward is
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

I'm tellin you people, its gonna be declare your score before the match, and like points off if you arent at the right score.

Also, the only important numbers are the first 3 consecutives: 3, 4, and 5. makes lots of people think of triagles, which means 3 teams on the feild at once. A one vs 2 game with the one having the choice of two seperate mobile goals, and the team of two, each team can only score in one of the mobile goals..
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

first is all about teamwork and friendship so to go back to individual vs individual would got against the spirit of FIRST. I think that we'll be seeing team playing for a long time (I've met some of my best FIRST friends by being in their alliance).
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

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But I think we have a winner:
Donut Discord
I think you are REALLY on to something.

Desserts/Donuts and Posts... this game has got it all.

In fact, you can make a perfect anaolgy with this one:
"Life is short. Eat dessert first." :: "Matches are short. Get to the donuts first."

There is always a fight for scoring objects, and it always helps to be first! This reminds me of the 2003 game, when IMHO, the match was almost always determined by who could get to the top of the ramp and push over the boxes first. Perhaps this means that autonomous mode WILL be first, and who ever gets to the donuts(dessert) first, will have an advantage for the rest of the match.

Going back against my earlier opinions, I think that probably the number speculation (based on the triple play by John Neun and the '4 is kind of like 5') isn't really all that valid because there is too much ambiguity associated with these numbers (odd isn't it -- ambiguous numbers) within this context. The 3's and the 5's could mean infinitley many things in this case, and I am not sure if there is enough solid evidence based on what Dave has said to argue the existence of specific elements of the game associated with 3 or 5.

I do think that there is solid evidence that the number 4 may play a large role in this game.
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Hey! that was my fourth post of the day! Woohoo!
However, I do not think that the number 4 will play a role in alliances because it has been stated that only 3 teams will be winners of each regional. However, that doesn't mean that there won't be changes in the alliance system from last year...and again the ambiguity of these numbers factor in. Who knows what they might do?

I really like the idea of there being 4 posts to hang or place donuts on. This takes the evidence provided and draws a reasonable conclusion.

As I thought about the quote more (Hey! that was my fourth post of the day! Woohoo!), I was wondering if there might be a way to somehow "claim" these posts...for example, if you put your alliance's color donut on top, then you claim the points in that stack/post for your own. If, for example, there were a total of 4 posts on the field, if you were able to claim all four of them for your alliance...you might be saying "That was my fourth post of the match! Woohoo!" Also, trying to get donuts onto posts would also be a good way to challenge human players. It would almost be like playing the game "Ring Toss". I think that "Ring toss" would add a good human element.

Overall, I think it is really difficult to tell what Dave means by all of this, and in interpereting clues, we should be careful not to be lead astray by our own complex interperetations...in other words, we shouldn't be over thinking it.
We should probably avoid this: "The word 'dessert' has 7 letters, which, when multiplied by 4, equals 28, which is a multiple of 14. And when 5 is subtracted from 14, you get 9, which is the square of the number 3! That means that there will be 3 teams per alliance!"

Let's keep it simple...and keep on guessing. This is fun.

--Jaine

PS. I had a thought about what the donuts could be made of. I know that there has been some speculation about inner tubes; what about those 'floaties' that little kids wear around their waists before they know how to swim? Those are pretty easy to get a hold of and probably less expensive than inner tubes.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Picture a school playground on a field. Ya you know it would be cool. like a marry-go-round in the middle shaped like a donut, and playground balls bouncing every where. OOOO don't forget the tires also shaped like a donut. You guys I think I am on to something.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Bingo Jaine, you get a cookie. Whether this is the game or not, I don't think it matters if we nailed it on the head. Other than to have a little prior thought of it. The only way to make this knowledge worth while is if you could convince your whole team of it, and start brain storming now. Which likely will turn out a waste of time. Why risk it. But it's going to be interesting to look back on this thread and see how far we were off. This Ajunx guy did a good job coming up with this game. I like it.
I think the last donut on cancels out the ones below it, leaving whoever on top, and however many of that color down would count. Getting all the way across the field and on that pad will be a real pain in autonomous, I bet that won't happen too often. Considering all the collisions on the ramps during autonomous. Looks like the "box bots" could get the pucks close to the HP's for the donut toss, and then play a defense with the opponent pucks. Pulling those pucks over the ramps is quite a load. I can see some last minute bang ups keeping opponents from puck zone scores. Everyone will fight over the yellow donuts. I like how there's multiple ways to play this game.
Everyone will start autonomous, by dragging their goals across to the other side, then you'll see all these bots driving wildly all over the place hoping to hit the pressure pad (if they make it across). If they don't make it across, and they collide on the ramp, their timers will send them all over the ramp and off the field while it's hoping to hit the pad. Heh.
Then if you made it across, you can go for the donuts in the middle, first guy there will grab the yellows, and then hop on their puck.
Our old 1998 bot was a puck jumper, and would get it's belly on the puck, and then lift the rear wheels up at the last minute. That would be a good idea to be able to drive the puck around, and still be in scoring position at the last minute. I bet a lot of teams will drop a wheel like an outboard motor and drive that puck across while on it. I think a sickle shaped arm could scoop up these donuts from below, up over the pipe, and carry them like a torch to your puck, then invert the sickle to spill over the puck pipe. Just think how quick you could change the score by plopping a (your color) donut over a full rack of opponent yellows, and then pushing them out of the zone at the last minute (that's a valuable teammate).
Heh, I hope this is it, I'd like to see this game - looks fun and interesting.

edit: oops there are no ramps... yay!

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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

personally, i dont believe that this is an actual hin, just something to occupy you guys, but heres something i dont think (maybe i just missed it) any of you have considered.

In John Neun, the normal 'V' might have been intentioanally left out. Why? because John ann Neun both hve 4 letters. If the V was in there, then it would offset the 2 sets of 4 letters.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

Virus infected tacos and KK donuts.

Don't you'll remember that Mr. Lavery had said that the hint was something at the SMV?

Anyway, that's what he said.
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

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Virus infected tacos and KK donuts.

Don't you'll remember that Mr. Lavery had said that the hint was something at the SMV?

Anyway, that's what he said.
Space Station
Lift off 220 miles above the Earth at 17,500 mph to ride with the astronauts aboard the international space station. A collaboration of 16 nations, the international space station is the first step toward future exploration of Mars. Space Station is a story of challenges, setbacks and triumphs … and ultimately, the shared international victory of men and women whose dreams exceed the limits of life on this planet.


This is off of the website that LBK Rules provided. 16 Nations, here we go back to number “4” again. 4 alliance play at one time, 4 teams per alliance.


“Your mission: to explore the wonders of the Red Planet! Check out the solar system's largest volcano and a canyon as long as the continental United States. Did you know that a piece of Mars was found on Earth? How did it get here? Create a swirling dust storm like those seen on the fourth planet from the sun and learn about Martian weather conditions. Find out about the latest discoveries from NASA's orbiting spacecraft and landers as you operate a model rover.”

^ that is off the website too. does it give us more clue? Before i confuse myself more i shall end this post...
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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

have you noticed that Dave has been talking about baseball alot lately?

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...7&postcount=53

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...3&postcount=71

...anyone else find this interesting?

I'm wondering if maybe he was talking about John Neun the baseball player....
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have you noticed that Dave has been talking about baseball alot lately?

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I'm wondering if maybe he was talking about John Neun the baseball player....
I think Dave saw people make a connection between John Neun and baseball, and has purposefully started to exploit that link.

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Re: No official FIRST game hint yet??

i Can Fully Assure that "Desserts" = Field Elements

If you have any interest to why im so sure, pm and ill tell you (Maybe youll make me unsure)
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