Official 2005 Clue Thread

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by anna~marie

again, it could be a 3-d reference to the playing field...

Yes, I agree.. The symbol for pie looks like a bridge between two points.

Maybe a field element like a bridge over an obstacle can be assumed? One can only guess.

For those who do like math *not me* here is an extensive research of pi.
http://www.jimloy.com/geometry/pi.htm

And look, it even has reference to pyramids for you pyramid theory buffs.
http://www.jimloy.com/pseudo/pyramid.htm

[Pin Man]

Originally Posted by anna~marie

Like it could be showing depth of something - like ramp or table or even a lower pit area. The such.
But as we were saying earlier that things can have double meanings in clues, I'm not trashing the circular object idea.

OH OH OH!!! HOW ABOUT MULTIPLE FLOORS!??! That would rule!

[sanddrag]

Here is a past post of mine that you all may find insteresting. link

[Hami1557]

Here is a couple ideas:

1. What is there is a total new bot design what if FIRST has purchased hexpod kits from Pi Products and a total new starting point for team bots.

2. What if FIRST has their own bot (hexpod) with IR beacon mounted on it?thus the need for tinted glasses

3. First base men = FIRST

4. I totally agree 3x3.

5. Specific scoring objects for each team and other objects that both teams can score with?

My $.02
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1557 (12 volt bolt)

[Kyle]

I think that It would be great for FIRST to do something new and such as the hex Field or bot or whatever it may be and to do 3v3 because it would really level the field for rookie teams and very experienced vets so everyone has a much better chance. a team could have been around for 8 years or more but they would have the same amount of experience at building a bot that had to work on a hex Field or had to bridge a gap in someway as a rookie team would have to.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Hami1557

Here is a couple ideas:

1. What is there is a total new bot design what if FIRST has purchased hexpod kits from Pi Products and a total new starting point for team bots.

2. What if FIRST has their own bot (hexpod) with IR beacon mounted on it?thus the need for tinted glasses

1) What is Hexpod kits from Pi Products? Link?

2) Why would tinted glasses help you with an IR beacon?

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

1) What is Hexpod kits from Pi Products? Link?

2) Why would tinted glasses help you with an IR beacon?

I think they meant the tinted glass that covers the IR sensor its not clear plastic its darkened (I think) so other light and signals wont inter fear with the intended signal as much.

[anna~marie]

first base?

[henryBsick]

Originally Posted by anna~marie

first base?

John Neun and George Burns were two baseball players who have pulled unassisted triple plays. They both played first base and were in the official clue.

[KimT]

Originally Posted by Joel J.

I have some more information..

There is a book, The Amethyst Spectacles, that was written in 1944 (or 1946) by Francis Crane. It is a mystery and suspense book, but more importantly its in the Private Investigator (Pi) genre. Anyway, here is a quick summary of the book (saw it somewhere online): That sets off a number of ideas in my mind.

1. Is there a connection in the year?
2. Those glasses are now seeming like the glasses from FLL.
3. The glasses appeared unexpectedly and in weird places. This is similar to how some people wanted autonomous mode, eh?
4. Pi: 2. any confused mixture; jumble.

This may go somewhere at some point, heh.

Now that's a neat idea! Having the autonomous mode at some unspecified time during the match to accomplish a task only accessible through autonomous would force everyone to use sensors - IR, light, sound, whatever - no more of that dead-reckonin' stuff our team, for one, uses every year.

Now, just for fun, I'm going to try to contrive a rediculous, surface level connection to the clue.

While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the
following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You
and Me."

IF:

1. "Pi" is interpreted as "the product" as stated in earlier posts
2. "The product" is assumed to indicate the end of a match (the product of the efforts)
3. The lack of a comma between "You and Me" is interpreted such that "You and Me" are between the beginning and the end of the match
4. "You and Me" indicates the connection between George Burns and John Neun
5. The connection is assumed to be the unassisted triple plays
6. "Unassisted" can be considered loosely synonymous with "autonomous" if "autonomous"'s definition is taken as "independent"

then it can be gathered that at some undefined point during the match, teams will have an opportunity to complete a task in autonomous mode, possibly with some relation to the "three" of the triple play.

~~**~~

WOW! That was fun! Give me another illogical point to argue!

[anna~marie]

Originally Posted by KimT

Having the autonomous mode at some unspecified time during the match to accomplish a task only accessible through autonomous would force everyone to use sensors

is it just me or does that idea scare you silly?

[Yan Wang]

To all the people who believe in the Beatles reference, I've got it! What FIRST is trying to convey to us is that at regional events, the DJs will no longer play repetitive techno and pop music over and over and over and... but will instead culture us with Dave Lavery's extensive collection of the Beatles' works, as mentioned earlier by Lil Lavery.

... not that I'm saying the music is annoying sometimes

[KimT]

Originally Posted by anna~marie

is it just me or does that idea scare you silly?

Honestly, I'm terrified! I mean, last year we barely even managed to make our robot MOVE during autonomous. Unfortunately, it has been emphasized over and over again that autonomous control is more similar to what most robots do in the real world, and I've heard that FIRST is moving more and more towards using autonomous. This seems like a logical step that could make autonomous control much more powerful without taking time or challenge away from the rest of the match.

This is coming soon, I think, whether or not it's this year, but it's my pet theory that this clue will have something to do with autonomous, though I can't really say why.

[anna~marie]

Friend of mine analyzed the quote and immediately thought of pie wedges....any chance?

[NotaNerd]

Just a few things I've noticed thus far:

1. Multiple floors, lowered control stations and a gigantic pyramid are all impractical because in order for them to support one robot (or more) would mean intense structural design. Sure, we all pitched in an extra $1000, but I'm pretty sure thats something known as economics. That extra $1000 isn't to cover new parts or a ridiculous skyscraper shaped field. That is so FIRST can get more money. Also, think about a multi story field or pyramid. At the end of a match, do you use a crane to get them down? Not likely, some venues won't allow it.

2. Another thought, George Burns is an actor who played God in a movie called "God." The game may be referencing to a scene or part from the movie.