Official 2005 Clue Thread

[patTeam241]

Several times throughout the forum, IR has been mentioned in connection with the amethyst glasses. But any IR sensor wouldn't use amethyst, as it would only let through considerably shorter wavelengths (right?). Are the UV sensors out there, as those would work much better with amythest. Do they have any properties that might define the game?

[phrontist]

Originally Posted by patTeam241

Several times throughout the forum, IR has been mentioned in connection with the amethyst glasses. But any IR sensor wouldn't use amethyst, as it would only let through considerably shorter wavelengths (right?). Are the UV sensors out there, as those would work much better with amythest. Do they have any properties that might define the game?

UV Paint playing feild! That would rule! Hmmm... Doesn't UV light damage the retinas if they're exposed to it too long? Oh, and all the drivers would have fabulous tans! But then there is the whole skin cancer thing.

Maybe not...

[Rich Wong]

*A night light just flicked on in my hibernating brain*

What if the field components are red & blue baseballs and containers are placed at each corner of a diamond shape pattern. The robot must deliver to each of the four containers their color baseballs.
Here is the twist, the red team scores one point if there is one red ball in each of the four containers. Therefore, the robot must run the baseball diamond pattern to fill each container.

[nicole839]

Originally Posted by Steve W

As posted earlier, Pi when capitalized means product in math terms. The use of pi is for the calculations and is the infinite number.

The clue would the say, " If you look closely you will see something between 'the product', You and Me. "

no suer if this will hav been posted yet or not. i haven't finished reading all of the posts in this thread yet. but when you read it like that, it reaffirms the point that the product or scores will have something in common with you and i. so then red and blue with have to work together to accomplish at least a piece of their scores, maybe some sort of multiplier.

hope this makes sense.

[pakrat]

Originally Posted by BurningQuestion

I think its to keep the rhyme scheme:

Look closely and you will see
Something between Pi, You and Me."

'See' and 'me' rhyme.

I dont know if it has anything to do with the game clue however.

In The Hobbit, Gollum spoke in rhyming riddles....

[Bcahn836]

Im sorry if this has been posted before but i just noticed this one
Dave Post
And by looking at this John V Neun
we can tell that Jonh V Neun's birthday is in Febuary. Whereas the John Neun baseball player was born in October as seen here

So i kinda think we are going in the wrong direction in thinking about baseball but maybe its just me..

It seems the more we look at this clue the stranger and stranger this thread gets and i don't think the post helped matters. LOL

[Rich Wong]

Wow, good find!
JVN birth month is Feb. and that bithstone is Amethyst.

[*JyNx*]

maybe the score for the match is the midpoint between the 2 scores

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by Bcahn836

Im sorry if this has been posted before but i just noticed this one
Dave Post
And by looking at this John V Neun
we can tell that Jonh V Neun's birthday is in Febuary. Whereas the John Neun baseball player was born in October as seen here

So i kinda think we are going in the wrong direction in thinking about baseball but maybe its just me..

It seems the more we look at this clue the stranger and stranger this thread gets and i don't think the post helped matters. LOL

wow, this changes a lot, good find!

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Elgin Clock

2) Why would tinted glasses help you with an IR beacon?

They wouldnt, I was just saying that the tinted glasses would alter the light your seeing, and that might be a clue to the light your looking for.

On another note, Pi has more to do with a circle than a triangle, so maybe its a circle we are supposed to find. Note how there's no comma between you and me. Grammatically you only use the comma before and if the "and" is being used to connect a statement of three or more objects. So if the pi cant be in there, because then youd need the comma before and. So grammatically it means, if you look between pi, you'll see you and me(or something along those lines). So if the pi represents a circle, you and me are in a circle.

[MikeDubreuil]

There's a lot of great ideas here but it's getting a little cluttered. Therefore, I decided to put all the ideas together that I thought were particularly important in analyzing the clue. I have tried to cite sources and added comment to some ideas.

Originally Posted by 2005 FIRST Game Design Committee

While wearing Amethyst colored glasses, John Neun gave George Burns the following riddle: "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me."

Amethyst

• Amethyst, is more commonly characterized as the color purple. The primary colors red and blue when mixed together create purple. This is of course interesting because alliance colors usually are red and blue. Post
• Amethyst is the 6th anniversary stone. There are two things interesting about the 6th anniversary. This year marks the 6th year since the 1999 game Double Trouble. Double Trouble was the first game FIRST introduced alliances and also the last time there was a major field dimension change. Post
• It was noted that Dave Lavery saw something at the Science Museum of Virginia that made him think of this years game. At the time he made that comment there was a major exhibit on crystals and specifically hexagon shaped crystals. The hexagon might be referring to the shape of the playing field for the 1998 game Ladder Logic. Post

John Neun, George Burns

• John Neun and George Burns, were both baseball players. They have the following in common: both completed unassisted triple plays, both were first basemen, and both accomplished their triple plays under similar circumstances. Post
• John Lennon and George Harrison appear together on the album for the Beatle’s album Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. Between George and John is a drum, which in the game clue represents Pi. Dave Lavery’s son confirmed that Dave is a Beatles fan and definitely would have that particular album. Post
• It’s important to note that George Burns is also an actor who acted in a movie based on the Beatle’s album Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band. Post

Pi

• When Pi is in uppercase it refers not to the ratio of circumference to diameter in a circle (3.14…), it’s used as the “product” symbol. Post
• There was a thought that perhaps the Pi reference was not meant literally but figuratively- a 3D representation of the field based on what the Greek letter looks like. Perhaps, there might be a bridge that we need to cross between two teams. Post
  
  

[Evan Austin]

Here's a theory. Assuming there are only two alliances again, maybe there are three sets of goals (red, blue, and purple) and the purple goals are mutual goals in which both alliances must score in order to receive a score. The amount that each alliance scores in these purple goals could also work as a multiplier to their individual scores as well.

[Paradox1350]

The way we learned it in 6th grade, and the way I use it in my essays, is that yes, there should be a comma between the 'you' and the 'and'. So it should read, according to the rules we learend in grammar school, as:

"Pi, you, and me."


HOWEVER, everytime I'm reading a book, or an article, or a textbook, I'm CONSTANTLY seeing no second comma. Thus, according to the seemingly widely accepted standard, "Pi, you and me" is perfectly correct, also.


Thus, I'm not sure if we can get anything out of the lack of a comma.


I do find it very weird that there would be both a baseball, and a Beatles connection between the two names though. Either one of them is a coincidence, or both, or neither. Either way, this clue is frikken weird . . .

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

• It was noted that Dave Lavery saw something at the Science Museum of Virginia that made him think of this years game. At the time he made that comment there was a major exhibit on crystals and specifically hexagon shaped crystals. The hexagon might be referring to the shape of the playing field for the 1998 game Ladder Logic. Post

Confirmed.. Sort of.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26438&highlight=Science+Museum+Vi rginia

[tkwetzel]

I think that these clues only drive people crazy and don't help at all because no one can accurately guess the whole game and design their robot before kickoff. So I have tried not to pay too much attention to this thread even though there are some interesting ideas. For those of you having fun, keep at it, you may actually figure something out before kickoff, but I think it is better to relax before kickoff and build season.

Edit: I can confirm that Dave Lavery stated at the 2004 NASA/VCU regional that something at the Virginia Science museum (where the team social was held) reminded him of or gave him an idea for the 2005 game. I was there when he stated that.