Official 2005 Clue Thread

[Elgin Clock]

Tyler, I think of it this way.

If there was no clue, and no bombardment of the CD server(s) before the kickoff; then would the servers handle the strain at kickoff?

I treat this thread, and all the excitement of all the threads, as a big CD Server test.

Oh, and I guess a lot too about the game.. oh well..

[Conor Ryan]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

This is an offical game clue for the 2005 season from a FIRST e-mail blast on December 30, 2004. It is documented in this thread. It has been brought into the Rumor Mill for discussion to keep the E-Mail Blast Archive in a more pure state...Any ideas?

ok i think i've figured a majority of it out. If you have noticed there are at least 2 signs that point to Cleveland:

George Burns and John Neun-Both had unassisted triple plays aggainst Cleveland whatever there name was before WW2

Amethyst Cololered Glasses- Who wears them? Elvis Costello, Bono of U2, Roy Orbison. One thing in common besides the fact they play Rock Music, they are all in or going in this year to the Rock and Roll hall of fame where is it? Cleveland.

This leads me to an idea of what the playing field is like the infamous "Mistake on the Lake" in Cleveland. do you know the design of the stadium? Its a horseshoe oh it was called the mistake on the lake because of the really high winds coming off the lake and the really bad indian teams.

Note I believe this is where John Neun had his unassisted triple play here, george burns did it 9 years before it was built which was in 1932.

Thats the shape of the field, and inbetween the horse shoe is a big cylindrical figure, completing there is something between Pi, you, and me.

what do you think of my idea?

[nicole839]

Originally Posted by thoughtful

First of all some of this might already be posted so i apoligize if i am just repeating what you mgith have read. Here are my opinions

1. Amethyst is a hexagon shaped crystal, also optical filters of that kind are used to study UV rays. Seeing this i agree with the suggestions that the teams might be 3v3 or 2v2v2, and that IR guidance might play a greater role.

2. I dont know much about baseball, but given that the John Neun and george burns have 3 as a very common number i would say that the matches might be 3 minutes or alliances of 3.

3. I would like to mention that the value of Pi is 3.14 could this be hinting that the total time for a match will be 3 minutes and 15 seconds. Also Pi is 22/7 does that bring anything in mind, if it does please do post.

4. "Look closely and you will see something between Pi, You and Me". Pay close attention this might be refferring to the fact that "you and me" are between Pi. Which can mean that the robots are in a pyramid or triangle shaped area. Also the riddle mentions looking closely;hence there might be something which very hard to see or cant be seen through human eyes, Again this hints toward IR

My conclusion:

The alliances will be 3v3, the field will remain rectangular. Autonomous will have a greater role to play. There will be IR or other navigational guidance. Also i beleive there will be some items in the center that one has to gather most to make points. The multiplier will be back.

PS:- I would be laughing at myself once the game is unvieled

if that were the case, then wouldn't it be:
"Look closely and you will see something between Pi; You and Me"

[NewZealand]

hey everybody here r my thoughts.......

what if in the automode there is an object in the center which has an ir beacon on it so a robot could retreive it for big pnts.(hmm maybe a pyramid, beanbag or yes horseshoe haha....hmmm) or u could go to some area that is randomly placed for pnts, also only found with IR. i think first wants mor focus on automode so they r goin 2 giv teams some incentive 2 havin automode

jus some thoughts okay adios

[Joel J]

Originally Posted by nicole839

if that were the case, then wouldn't it be:
"Look closely and you will see something between Pi; You and Me"

Ok. What about the "between?" Between is supposed to be used for two items, and among for more than two.

[Collmandoman]

So we developed AI...
it figured out the clue ...already..
made itself accordingly
and is currently walking to the peachtree regional
if you find him ask him what the objectives are, we'd sure like to know
...
anyway

if anyone wants to play halo2 message me on aim at stealingshrimp =)
lets get a halo2 cd group together WOOT

[Kyle]

i have the 365 post for this thread, sorry i was amused about that for some reason. i cant wait to see how wrong or right we car on saturday

[KimT]

Originally Posted by Paradox1350

The way we learned it in 6th grade, and the way I use it in my essays, is that yes, there should be a comma between the 'you' and the 'and'. So it should read, according to the rules we learend in grammar school, as:

"Pi, you, and me."


HOWEVER, everytime I'm reading a book, or an article, or a textbook, I'm CONSTANTLY seeing no second comma. Thus, according to the seemingly widely accepted standard, "Pi, you and me" is perfectly correct, also.


Thus, I'm not sure if we can get anything out of the lack of a comma.

Let me just clear this up once and for all. BOTH forms with commas are acceptable. HOWEVER commas after each item is prefered, because of the other interpretations left open by there NOT being a comma.

In other words, it can STILL go either way without there being a grammer mistake. See here: http://www.rhlschool.com/eng2n35.htm

As for the other grammer question:

if that were the case, then wouldn't it be:
"Look closely and you will see something between Pi; You and Me"

NOPE! Semi colons are used to join complete clauses or lists in sentences with commas; for futher information, look here: http://www.uhv.edu/ac/grammar/semicolon.html

[Yan Wang]

Originally Posted by KimT

Let me just clear this up once and for all. BOTH forms with commas are acceptable. HOWEVER commas after each item is prefered, because of the other interpretations left open by there NOT being a comma.

In other words, it can STILL go either way without there being a grammer mistake.

The use of a comma before "and" is a serial comma. Personally, I prefer this, but it's technically a matter of what style guide you use. In any case, in reference to the game clue, using a serial comma in this year's clue would've been incorrect.

The clue says: "between Pi, You and Me"

"Between" is used for two subjects and thus they are "Pi" and "You and Me". If you had a comma before the "and Me", the word "between" would need to have been replaced with "among". I don't seen anything left to intepretation in the clue other than its meaning. The grammar's fine.

On another note, I lived in Cleveland for five years, during the 95 & 97 World Series... GO INDIANS! And does anyone else agree that the baseball references probably were used this year due to the Red Sox?

[anna~marie]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

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Another thing noticed about the bridge ideal...glasses, when placed on their ends, look like a bridge...a bridge shared by red and blue?

As for the horseshoe shape....quite interesting, i like it, kinda.

[lsmith243]

I think peoples' ideas about it being the Beatles song is pretty good. Think about it. If it really was Led Zep last year (I wasn't around, so I wouldn't really know), then it makes sense that they'd continue on with another classic band... Sometimes it helps you see the picture clearer if you don't read too far into things... Just a thought...

-Lauren-

[JulieB]

who really knows what the game will all we can do is sit and twirl our thumbs until the 8th.
i hope for nothing with BALLS!

[Karthik1]

Originally Posted by JulieB

who really knows what the game will all we can do is sit and twirl our thumbs until the 8th.
i hope for nothing with BALLS!

Sorry to burst your bubble but with all these baseball references, baseballs seems like a likely scoring object.

[Collmandoman]

Originally Posted by Karthik1

Sorry to burst your bubble but with all these baseball references, baseballs seems like a likely scoring object.

I'm not so sure about that.. they are fairly dense.. and if the human player is involved.. there will be no thrown baseballs.. maybe loading?
they can damage a robot very easily

[sanddrag]

Did anyone see this post?

Originally Posted by dlavery

just broaden your imagination and consider what might happen if the alliance structures are not symetrical.

If we know that the two weaker alliances will gang up and create an unfair 4 (2 + 2) robots vs 2 robots situation, then there is one very easy way to restore balance. Imagine what it might be like if the match were designed to have two (weaker) alliances of two robots each, and a third alliance of 3 stronger robots. A 2 vs 2 vs 3 structure could make things very interesting! The team scouts and strategists would have a field day with this one.

But, nah, that is way too complicated. FIRST would never do that to us...

-dave