FRC Manual in Advance?

[indieFan]

Last year we saw the FRC manual available for downloading before the day of kickoff due to worries about overloading the servers (if my memory serves). These were then opened using a password given out during the kickoff broadcast.

Will the same thing be happening this year?

Thanks,
indieFan

[team222badbrad]

Yes you are correct, FIRST did allow us to download them a few days before kickoff.

If FIRST does this again this year, it will probably be up in the next few days.

The FIRST website is very slow today, maybe they are uploading it now!

[Stu Bloom]

Good question... I was thinking the same thing. And how about some "unlocked" documentation - anything that will not give any hints to the game. This includes a "low-cost" field BOM (unless that would be giving away too much). We all know how short 6 weeks is ... any information that gives us a jump on the less critical items would be extremely helpful.

[Max Lobovsky]

What format were the manuals? A password protected PDF?

[team222badbrad]

Originally Posted by Max Lobovsky

What format were the manuals? A password protected PDF?

Thats exactly what they were. Once the field and such was unveiled, FIRST put up some big long password on the broadcast.

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by team222badbrad

FIRST put up some big long password on the broadcast.

Yup..
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...light=password

[Joe Johnson]

This may be a case where a lot of folks around here should probably hang their head in shame.

FIRST took a lot of heat because a lot of folks (mostly uninformed folks) around ChiefDelphi.com talked about how "easy" it would be to crack the code, etc.

It did not matter that most of it was just plain foolishness, the talk was out there and a lot of people believed it.

Would YOU go through the hassle again given the grief they took?

I wouldn't.

Free speech comes with some responsibilities.

Joe J.

P.S. I promised myself that I'd put in a shameless plug for the "NBD: Nothing But Dewalts" whitepaper whenever I posted in the 2005 Season, so here it is: I believe this instant classic will take its place as one of the most important How To's FIRSTers have access to. JJ

[Gary Dillard]

<Gets on soapbox>

Any chance they'll finally give us the dimensions of the ACTUAL 2004 field hardware before they post the 2005 information?


OK, OK, someday I'll get over it. And the tether ruling. If that's all I have to complain about for the last couple years, I'd say they're doing pretty well.

<Gets off soapbox>

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

<Gets on soapbox>

Any chance they'll finally give us the dimensions of the ACTUAL 2004 field hardware before they post the 2005 information?


OK, OK, someday I'll get over it. And the tether ruling. If that's all I have to complain about for the last couple years, I'd say they're doing pretty well.

<Gets off soapbox>

Now open the box and use what's inside.

[Joe Ross]

I'm not sure it really reduced their bandwidth any, either. The password wasn't a type it in once and unlock it forever, you had to type it in each time you opened the pdf. For me, after doing it 10 times in an hour, I downloaded the unlocked copies. I'm sure everyone else did the same.

[Alan Anderson]

I figured the password-protected files were made available in advance for the benefit of those teams who wouldn't have a quick internet connection readily available on the day of kickoff. That way they wouldn't be at a disadvantage because they were without official documentation while others had it in hand.

If it were my responsibility, I'd have provided an option to retrieve the whole .pdf collection in one password-protected (and presumably compressed) archive. That way it would have been a one-time process to extract the actual files using the password.

[Joe Matt]

Mabey FIRST is going to bring back the hard copy manuals, or atleast a CD with the files on it...

[Scott L.]

Actually, if my knowlegde of adobe serves me right, you only hade to enter the password once per document. there was a security/encyption option that removed the password protection.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Somewhat off-topic, but is anyone preparing to start a Bittorrent seed of the documentation sometime shortly after kick-off? This would atleast reduce the load generated by the tech-savvy among FIRSTers.

[Gary Dillard]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

This may be a case where a lot of folks around here should probably hang their head in shame.

FIRST took a lot of heat because a lot of folks (mostly uninformed folks) around ChiefDelphi.com talked about how "easy" it would be to crack the code, etc.

It did not matter that most of it was just plain foolishness, the talk was out there and a lot of people believed it.

Would YOU go through the hassle again given the grief they took?

I wouldn't.

Free speech comes with some responsibilities.

Joe - I hope you weren't referring to This Thread which I placed in the rumor mill. I did a search on " manuals password" and that's about all that came up. Who took the heat and grief, and who did it come from? The only "claims" were Joe Ross's of "a friend of a friend" and Elgin's of the password starting with 2, 15 characters - not exactly right, was it? Not exactly questionable characters according to their reputations, but they love a good rumor like I do. If FIRST is making decisions based on rumors (especially obvious tomfoolery) or uninformed speculation and unsubstantiated claims they should be hanging their head in shame, not me.

Hopefully this was a misunderstanding.