FRC Manual in Advance?

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by team222badbrad

FIRST put up some big long password on the broadcast.

Yup..
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...light=password

[Joe Johnson]

This may be a case where a lot of folks around here should probably hang their head in shame.

FIRST took a lot of heat because a lot of folks (mostly uninformed folks) around ChiefDelphi.com talked about how "easy" it would be to crack the code, etc.

It did not matter that most of it was just plain foolishness, the talk was out there and a lot of people believed it.

Would YOU go through the hassle again given the grief they took?

I wouldn't.

Free speech comes with some responsibilities.

Joe J.

P.S. I promised myself that I'd put in a shameless plug for the "NBD: Nothing But Dewalts" whitepaper whenever I posted in the 2005 Season, so here it is: I believe this instant classic will take its place as one of the most important How To's FIRSTers have access to. JJ

[Gary Dillard]

<Gets on soapbox>

Any chance they'll finally give us the dimensions of the ACTUAL 2004 field hardware before they post the 2005 information?


OK, OK, someday I'll get over it. And the tether ruling. If that's all I have to complain about for the last couple years, I'd say they're doing pretty well.

<Gets off soapbox>

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

<Gets on soapbox>

Any chance they'll finally give us the dimensions of the ACTUAL 2004 field hardware before they post the 2005 information?


OK, OK, someday I'll get over it. And the tether ruling. If that's all I have to complain about for the last couple years, I'd say they're doing pretty well.

<Gets off soapbox>

Now open the box and use what's inside.

[Joe Ross]

I'm not sure it really reduced their bandwidth any, either. The password wasn't a type it in once and unlock it forever, you had to type it in each time you opened the pdf. For me, after doing it 10 times in an hour, I downloaded the unlocked copies. I'm sure everyone else did the same.

[Alan Anderson]

I figured the password-protected files were made available in advance for the benefit of those teams who wouldn't have a quick internet connection readily available on the day of kickoff. That way they wouldn't be at a disadvantage because they were without official documentation while others had it in hand.

If it were my responsibility, I'd have provided an option to retrieve the whole .pdf collection in one password-protected (and presumably compressed) archive. That way it would have been a one-time process to extract the actual files using the password.

[Joe Matt]

Mabey FIRST is going to bring back the hard copy manuals, or atleast a CD with the files on it...

[Scott L.]

Actually, if my knowlegde of adobe serves me right, you only hade to enter the password once per document. there was a security/encyption option that removed the password protection.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Somewhat off-topic, but is anyone preparing to start a Bittorrent seed of the documentation sometime shortly after kick-off? This would atleast reduce the load generated by the tech-savvy among FIRSTers.

[Max Lobovsky]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

Somewhat off-topic, but is anyone preparing to start a Bittorrent seed of the documentation sometime shortly after kick-off? This would atleast reduce the load generated by the tech-savvy among FIRSTers.

I agree, a torrent tracker would really void the need for a early release of a password protected file.

[Gary Dillard]

Originally Posted by Joe Johnson

This may be a case where a lot of folks around here should probably hang their head in shame.

FIRST took a lot of heat because a lot of folks (mostly uninformed folks) around ChiefDelphi.com talked about how "easy" it would be to crack the code, etc.

It did not matter that most of it was just plain foolishness, the talk was out there and a lot of people believed it.

Would YOU go through the hassle again given the grief they took?

I wouldn't.

Free speech comes with some responsibilities.

Joe - I hope you weren't referring to This Thread which I placed in the rumor mill. I did a search on " manuals password" and that's about all that came up. Who took the heat and grief, and who did it come from? The only "claims" were Joe Ross's of "a friend of a friend" and Elgin's of the password starting with 2, 15 characters - not exactly right, was it? Not exactly questionable characters according to their reputations, but they love a good rumor like I do. If FIRST is making decisions based on rumors (especially obvious tomfoolery) or uninformed speculation and unsubstantiated claims they should be hanging their head in shame, not me.

Hopefully this was a misunderstanding.

[dez250]

Originally Posted by Gary Dillard

Joe - I hope you weren't referring to This Thread which I placed in the rumor mill. I did a search on " manuals password" and that's about all that came up. Who took the heat and grief, and who did it come from? The only "claims" were Joe Ross's of "a friend of a friend" and Elgin's of the password starting with 2, 15 characters - not exactly right, was it? Not exactly questionable characters according to their reputations, but they love a good rumor like I do. If FIRST is making decisions based on rumors (especially obvious tomfoolery) or uninformed speculation and unsubstantiated claims they should be hanging their head in shame, not me.

Hopefully this was a misunderstanding.

Take a look at This Thread, that has left a bad taste since then in many peoples mouths.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Honestly, that thread is horribly misguided. It started out as a joke, and then someone came in with misinformation about it being possible for a large corporation to crack the encryption. This would be true if FIRST used the very, very basic 40-bit encryption. That can be cracked in a relatively short amount of time by just a single home PC. 128-bit encryption with a strong algorithm and a strong key like FIRST chose is entirely too hard to crack. You could throw dozens of supercomputers at the problem and you might have had last year's documents cracked in time for next year's competition. I'm sure FIRST understands that there is statistically no chance of the password being cracked in even a month, so I can only assume that the delayed release this year is for some other reason.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

Honestly, that thread is horribly misguided. It started out as a joke, and then someone came in with misinformation about it being possible for a large corporation to crack the encryption. This would be true if FIRST used the very, very basic 40-bit encryption. That can be cracked in a relatively short amount of time by just a single home PC. 128-bit encryption with a strong algorithm and a strong key like FIRST chose is entirely too hard to crack. You could throw dozens of supercomputers at the problem and you might have had last year's documents cracked in time for next year's competition. I'm sure FIRST understands that there is statistically no chance of the password being cracked in even a month, so I can only assume that the delayed release this year is for some other reason.

Does it matter if it's a joke?

If I'm walking around in front of the whitehouse and make a joke about terrorists or George Bush dying, do you think the secret service agents are gonna go "yo dude, you makin a joke, or were you serious? cuz I really dont feel like getting up and doing anything about it right now" They're going to arrest me, no matter what my intentions were. Same as if you say "bomb" on an airplane.

Intentions don't matter for anything, it's all about perception and in this case FIRST perceived that these people were serious

[Max Lobovsky]

Originally Posted by Cory

in this case FIRST perceived that these people were serious

How do we know that?