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RE:Removing Tetras

I don't have access to the manual until later, but I was wondering if anyone has read anything about removing tetras plaved on the large pryamids? Is it legal?
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Re: Removing Tetras

I would assume so. I could remove the big balls from last year....

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Re: Removing Tetras

I haven't found it in scoring yet, but probably NOT. More than likely there will be NO descoring just like last year. It's not gracious, and besides, you don't need their tetras to score YOUR points.
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Re: Removing Tetras

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I don't have access to the manual until later, but I was wondering if anyone has read anything about removing tetras plaved on the large pryamids? Is it legal?

<G18> ROBOTS can remove or displace TETRAS CONTAINED in a goal, but cannot remove TETRAS
STACKED on a goal. If an alliance ROBOT removes any STACKED TETRA of the opposing alliance, the
TETRA will be SCORED (3 points) and the opposing alliance automatically OWNS the GOAL for the
remainder of the match regardless of what color TETRAS are on the goal. There is no penalty for removing a
TETRA that is precariously positioned on a GOAL or TETRA, but not fully STACKED.

it woulda been more fun and competition if u were able to remove those stacked tetras, oh well. less worries.

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Re: Removing Tetras

Can you put your team's tetras on the other team's goals? I would think so but you never know
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Re: Removing Tetras

Yes, you can do that. I'm not sure of the rule, but in the animation and the simulation they showed tetras being stacked.
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Re: Removing Tetras

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Can you put your team's tetras on the other team's goals? I would think so but you never know

there arent specific goals this year. whichever alliance's tetra is stacked at the top of any of the 9 goals is considered their goal. you can then create rows (8 possible) each row is worth 10 pts.

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Re: Removing Tetras

There aren't any "Red" or "Blue" goals this year. The locations would make you assume so, but in fact every goal is up for grabs. If you COULDNT place your tetras on the other alliances' goals, then you could never get a ROW.
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Re: Removing Tetras

You've gotta read the game rules!

You can stack your tetras on the other teams tetras. Whoever has their color on top of the stack "owns" that goal, at least until the other team puts a tetra on top of it. You could have 3 tetras on top of a goal (worth 9 points), but if the other team has one on top of all of yours (worth 3 points), the goal will count toward their "3 goals in a line" for the 10 point bonus.

If there are no tetras on top of a goal, goal ownership is determined by the tetras inside the goal.
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Re: Removing Tetras

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Yes. You own a goal when your color tetra is on top of the goal. You are expected to steal an opponent goal.

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OWNING A GOAL – A GOAL is OWNED by an alliance if the alliance color corresponds to the last STACKED TETRA placed on the goal. If there are no TETRAS STACKED on the GOAL, the color of the highest TETRA CONTAINED in a goal will determine which alliance OWNS the GOAL. If all CONTAINED TETRAS are at the same height, the alliance with a majority of the CONTAINED TETRAS will OWN the goal.

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Re: Removing Tetras

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You've gotta read the game rules!

You can stack your tetras on the other teams tetras. Whoever has their color on top of the stack "owns" that goal, at least until the other team puts a tetra on top of it. You could have 3 tetras on top of a goal (worth 9 points), but if the other team has one on top of all of yours (worth 3 points), the goal will count toward their "3 goals in a line" for the 10 point bonus.

If there are no tetras on top of a goal, goal ownership is determined by the tetras inside the goal.

Correct. Ownership is determined while the game is in play, and can change througout the game. If, however, a tetra is descored from the cap the opposing alliance maintains ownership of that goal the rest of the match.

In otherwords, if blue descores a red tetra, RED owns it the rest of the game.
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Re: Removing Tetras

hmm what if there are only 2 tetras contained inside a goal, both are the same height, and each belongs to the two seperate teams? who has ownership?
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Re: Removing Tetras

I would guess both teams, but if you cannot find this in the manual why not go post over at the Q&A page on the FIRST site.
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Re: Removing Tetras

well it says that the tetras cannot be removed when its in the goal. Im confused about which goal that a tetras can be placed in? Im guessing all of them right?
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Re: Removing Tetras

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well it says that the tetras cannot be removed when its in the goal. Im confused about which goal that a tetras can be placed in? Im guessing all of them right?
You can place the tetras in any of the 9 goals. You can place the tetras either on top of the goal (stack) or u can put them inside the goal.
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