Basic Game Breakdown

[663.keith]

don't forget about the tetra that one robot can start with

my interpretation is that you need to cap the goal with the vision tetra

[Levin571]

<G10> If during the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD a VISION TETRA is STACKED on a GOAL located on the edge of the field, a bonus TETRA will be STACKED on the nearest corner GOAL in the alliance END ZONE. If during the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD a VISION TETRA is STACKED on the CENTER GOAL, a bonus TETRA will be placed on both corner GOALS in the alliance END ZONE. All bonus TETRAS will be STACKED on the GOALS by field attendants at the earliest safe opportunity after the end of the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD. Once the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD ends, all VISION TETRAS are treated and SCORED as regular TETRAS for the remainder of the match.

[Ken Loyd]

Does Rule G15 mean that if my robot bumps a robot in a loading zone during auto mode, I will be punished?

Ken

[Adam Richards]

No, the LOADING ZONEs are the areas for the robot to pick up tetras, either handed from the players at the "manual" loading zone, at which point it's disabled due to pressure pads, or for the robot to pick up tetras itself at the "automatic" loading zone. The autonomous period is for the robot to pick up vision tetras by itself, or position itself near or on one of the pressure pads for you to hand one to it after the autonomous period once it switches into the driver period, if you can't get the camera to work properly for you.

Because of this, it is very doubtful that you'll actually bump a robot during the autonomous period unless the robot color is the same blue, red, or green that the tetras are, in which case, it'll probably be up to the judges as to whose fault it is.

[Levin571]

I think rule G15 will be lightened up a little bit when we get to our first competition because everyone knows that accidental bumping happens, and usually rulings like that aren't the first idea that comes to a ref's mind

[Levin571]

i haven't finished looking over all the rules yet but can a robot go on top of another robot of its alliance at the end of the round so everyone is in the score zone?

[lpramo55]

Originally Posted by Levin571

i haven't finished looking over all the rules yet but can a robot go on top of another robot of its alliance at the end of the round so everyone is in the score zone?

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

[Adam Richards]

Originally Posted by lpramo55

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

All 3 robots have to be behind the line. You're allowed to push disabled teammates in, or nudge ones who aren't behind the line completely, as seen in the animation from the kickoff.

[Christine G.]

Originally Posted by nartak

All 3 robots have to be behind the line. You're allowed to push disabled teammates in, or nudge ones who aren't behind the line completely, as seen in the animation from the kickoff.

But can you go under or into the goals in the end zone so that all robots fit?

[Adam Richards]

Originally Posted by Christine G.

But can you go under or into the goals in the end zone so that all robots fit?

You'd have to go over a PVC pipe to do that. Also, I have to correct myself. In my haste, I skipped over part of the rule on the end zone. You are allowed to be hanging over, but no part may be touching the ground outside of the end zone.

Originally Posted by FIRST Rules 2005 Section 4

A ROBOT is not considered in the END ZONE if it is touching the fieldoutside the defined END ZONE border. The tape line designating the END ZONE border is onsidered “in” the END ZONE.

[Matt Krass]

Originally Posted by nartak

You'd have to go over a PVC pipe to do that. Also, I have to correct myself. In my haste, I skipped over part of the rule on the end zone. You are allowed to be hanging over, but no part may be touching the ground outside of the end zone.

I'm not sure if you were implying going over a PVC pipe made that illegal, according to the following rule I don't believe it is:

<G20> ROBOTS may push or react against any elements of the field, provided there is no damage or disruption of the field elements. ROBOTS may not grab, grasp, grapple or attach to the GOALS or any other field structure. Robots may not extend under, lift up or tip over a GOAL. If a ROBOT violates this rule, the referee will give one warning. If the referee determines that the team is disregarding the warning, or the actions affect the outcome of the match, the team’s ROBOT will be disabled for the remainder of the match. If a GOAL is tipped over, it is automatically OWNED by the opposing alliance for the remainder of the match.

I don't think driving over it counts as grabbing, grasping, grappling or attaching, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Christine G.]

Originally Posted by Matt Krass

I'm not sure if you were implying going over a PVC pipe made that illegal, according to the following rule I don't believe it is:

<G20> ROBOTS may push or react against any elements of the field, provided there is no damage or disruption of the field elements. ROBOTS may not grab, grasp, grapple or attach to the GOALS or any other field structure. Robots may not extend under, lift up or tip over a GOAL. If a ROBOT violates this rule, the referee will give one warning. If the referee determines that the team is disregarding the warning, or the actions affect the outcome of the match, the team’s ROBOT will be disabled for the remainder of the match. If a GOAL is tipped over, it is automatically OWNED by the opposing alliance for the remainder of the match.

I don't think driving over it counts as grabbing, grasping, grappling or attaching, please correct me if I'm wrong.

But what about the "Robots may not extend under"...does that mean you cannot drive under or you cannot expand your robot under as to lift the goal?

[greencactus3]

Originally Posted by lpramo55

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

well in the animation the short robot lifted one wheel to be behind the line, as in no contact with the ground past the line but hanging over the plane, so i would think yes its ok.

[AmyPrib]

Just a note - there is a ton of rules explanations and clarifications and questions in the "rules/strategies" thread...
But.....

Originally Posted by greencactus3

well in the animation the short robot lifted one wheel to be behind the line, as in no contact with the ground past the line but hanging over the plane, so i would think yes its ok.

Hanging over should be ok.. It says you're not in the endzone if you're touching the field beyond the white line. So if an arm is hanging over the white line, but not touching the field, then that should be ok.

But can you go under or into the goals in the end zone so that all robots fit?.

I don't see why not. Roll over the goal pipe, and you should be ok. I have not seen any clear rule that says you can't drive under, or go under, the goals.

how many bonus points do u get for capping with the vision tetra and knocking off the hanging tetras???.

You don't get bonus points, you get bonus tetras placed on your corner goal(s). You don't get bonus points for knocking off the hanging tetra, it just comes into play much sooner than if you don't knock it off.. (it'll be removed from field if you don't knock off in auto).

But what about the "Robots may not extend under"...does that mean you cannot drive under or you cannot expand your robot under as to lift the goal?.

I believe "under" does not mean you can't drive thru or go inside a goal. I would think extend under is in context with the tipping/lifting of a goal, meaning you can't lift or tip the goal by ripping it's bottom leg from it's velcro secure.
If you couldn't extend under a goal at all, you would have a tough time getting the tetras under the goal, or removing them from under a goal ("contained" in a goal)... which is all legal.. so that's my take..

[Levin571]

it mentions tipping as a no-no but if nothing is said about lifting, that could make some very interesting robot designs