Basic Game Breakdown

[Ken Loyd]

Does Rule G15 mean that if my robot bumps a robot in a loading zone during auto mode, I will be punished?

Ken

[Adam Richards]

No, the LOADING ZONEs are the areas for the robot to pick up tetras, either handed from the players at the "manual" loading zone, at which point it's disabled due to pressure pads, or for the robot to pick up tetras itself at the "automatic" loading zone. The autonomous period is for the robot to pick up vision tetras by itself, or position itself near or on one of the pressure pads for you to hand one to it after the autonomous period once it switches into the driver period, if you can't get the camera to work properly for you.

Because of this, it is very doubtful that you'll actually bump a robot during the autonomous period unless the robot color is the same blue, red, or green that the tetras are, in which case, it'll probably be up to the judges as to whose fault it is.

[Levin571]

I think rule G15 will be lightened up a little bit when we get to our first competition because everyone knows that accidental bumping happens, and usually rulings like that aren't the first idea that comes to a ref's mind

[Levin571]

i haven't finished looking over all the rules yet but can a robot go on top of another robot of its alliance at the end of the round so everyone is in the score zone?

[lpramo55]

Originally Posted by Levin571

i haven't finished looking over all the rules yet but can a robot go on top of another robot of its alliance at the end of the round so everyone is in the score zone?

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

[Adam Richards]

Originally Posted by lpramo55

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

All 3 robots have to be behind the line. You're allowed to push disabled teammates in, or nudge ones who aren't behind the line completely, as seen in the animation from the kickoff.

[Christine G.]

Originally Posted by nartak

All 3 robots have to be behind the line. You're allowed to push disabled teammates in, or nudge ones who aren't behind the line completely, as seen in the animation from the kickoff.

But can you go under or into the goals in the end zone so that all robots fit?

[Adam Richards]

Originally Posted by Christine G.

But can you go under or into the goals in the end zone so that all robots fit?

You'd have to go over a PVC pipe to do that. Also, I have to correct myself. In my haste, I skipped over part of the rule on the end zone. You are allowed to be hanging over, but no part may be touching the ground outside of the end zone.

Originally Posted by FIRST Rules 2005 Section 4

A ROBOT is not considered in the END ZONE if it is touching the fieldoutside the defined END ZONE border. The tape line designating the END ZONE border is onsidered “in” the END ZONE.

[Matt Krass]

Originally Posted by nartak

You'd have to go over a PVC pipe to do that. Also, I have to correct myself. In my haste, I skipped over part of the rule on the end zone. You are allowed to be hanging over, but no part may be touching the ground outside of the end zone.

I'm not sure if you were implying going over a PVC pipe made that illegal, according to the following rule I don't believe it is:

<G20> ROBOTS may push or react against any elements of the field, provided there is no damage or disruption of the field elements. ROBOTS may not grab, grasp, grapple or attach to the GOALS or any other field structure. Robots may not extend under, lift up or tip over a GOAL. If a ROBOT violates this rule, the referee will give one warning. If the referee determines that the team is disregarding the warning, or the actions affect the outcome of the match, the team’s ROBOT will be disabled for the remainder of the match. If a GOAL is tipped over, it is automatically OWNED by the opposing alliance for the remainder of the match.

I don't think driving over it counts as grabbing, grasping, grappling or attaching, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Christine G.]

Originally Posted by Matt Krass

I'm not sure if you were implying going over a PVC pipe made that illegal, according to the following rule I don't believe it is:

<G20> ROBOTS may push or react against any elements of the field, provided there is no damage or disruption of the field elements. ROBOTS may not grab, grasp, grapple or attach to the GOALS or any other field structure. Robots may not extend under, lift up or tip over a GOAL. If a ROBOT violates this rule, the referee will give one warning. If the referee determines that the team is disregarding the warning, or the actions affect the outcome of the match, the team’s ROBOT will be disabled for the remainder of the match. If a GOAL is tipped over, it is automatically OWNED by the opposing alliance for the remainder of the match.

I don't think driving over it counts as grabbing, grasping, grappling or attaching, please correct me if I'm wrong.

But what about the "Robots may not extend under"...does that mean you cannot drive under or you cannot expand your robot under as to lift the goal?

[Mike Ounsworth]

I appologise for posting needlessly, but I'm having troubles finding info on this new 'fixit window' rule, could someone please enlighten me?

[David Hoff]

Originally Posted by Mike Ounsworth

I appologise for posting needlessly, but I'm having troubles finding info on this new 'fixit window' rule, could someone please enlighten me?

For info about the fix-it window Read R13 on page 10 in Section 5 of the manual.

[Levin571]

i see a loophole... that might be a good area to take advantage of until someone in high ranks notices that and makes an update to it

[ebenhopwil]

If a robot has to leave the loading zone and re-enter in order to receive another tetra, can it come back with the original tetra still on board, so that it eventually gets a stack of tetras, which it can cap on a goal all at once? Is that legal?

[greencactus3]

Originally Posted by lpramo55

i havnt seen anything in the rules that have said otherwise but im pretty sure they would let that count as all robots behind the line...my question is a more interesting one...can you be hanging over the line? or does the robot have to be behing the plane of the line

well in the animation the short robot lifted one wheel to be behind the line, as in no contact with the ground past the line but hanging over the plane, so i would think yes its ok.