RE:Removing Tetras

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by dabbaking

well it says that the tetras cannot be removed when its in the goal. Im confused about which goal that a tetras can be placed in? Im guessing all of them right?

Tetras can be removed from being contained in the goal (the bottom), but can not be removed from the top. You can place tetras on or in any of the goals.


Wetzel

[karinka13]

Tetras can be removed when they're in the goal, just not when they're on the goal...or so one of the people I've been bugging told me

[kaszeta]

Originally Posted by matt111

I don't have access to the manual until later, but I was wondering if anyone has read anything about removing tetras plaved on the large pryamids? Is it legal?

<G18> ROBOTS can remove or displace TETRAS CONTAINED in a goal, but cannot remove TETRAS STACKED on a goal. If an alliance ROBOT removes any STACKED TETRA of the opposing alliance, the TETRA will be SCORED (3 points) and the opposing alliance automatically OWNS the GOAL for the remainder of the match regardless of what color TETRAS are on the goal. There is no penalty for removing a TETRA that is precariously positioned on a GOAL or TETRA, but not fully STACKED.

[Sam Lipscomb]

can one alliance team give another alliance team a tetra? and or take a tetra from their other alliance teams? for example, in my alliance, one of the teams gets disabled, can i go over to them and take the tetra they are holding onto?

[Sam Lipscomb]

another thing, can one team go over to the opposing team and take their tetra preventing them from getting points?

[BandChick]

You could probably take a tetra away from another robot or block another robot from obtaining the tetra. That, in my book, is just defense.

[Sam Lipscomb]

Originally Posted by BandChick

You could probably take a tetra away from another robot or block another robot from obtaining the tetra. That, in my book, is just defense.

but what about the other case - taking a tetra from a fellow alliance member? that's not defense, just strategy.

[Eugenia Gabrielov]

I would say being able to obtain tetras from your teammates is important. If for any reason a teammate's arm is disabled, and a tetra is smply left hanging, you would have to be able to get it off. Also, valuable time can be saved if one robot "fetches" tetras while another robot takes and hangs them. For example, if a small robot has speed but no arm but the larger has a great arm mechanism and is slow, it is a good way to save some time by perhaps using the "box on wheels" as the runner.

[Levin571]

Originally Posted by UsmanB

<G18> ROBOTS can remove or displace TETRAS CONTAINED in a goal, but cannot remove TETRAS
STACKED on a goal. If an alliance ROBOT removes any STACKED TETRA of the opposing alliance, the
TETRA will be SCORED (3 points) and the opposing alliance automatically OWNS the GOAL for the
remainder of the match regardless of what color TETRAS are on the goal. There is no penalty for removing a
TETRA that is precariously positioned on a GOAL or TETRA, but not fully STACKED.

it woulda been more fun and competition if u were able to remove those stacked tetras, oh well. less worries.

oh well... but there are still 6 weeks for rules to change and designs to be made

[Avarik]

What about removing your own tetras? Is that legal?

[AmyPrib]

Originally Posted by innovativechic

can one alliance team give another alliance team a tetra? and or take a tetra from their other alliance teams? for example, in my alliance, one of the teams gets disabled, can i go over to them and take the tetra they are holding onto?

From rule S08 - HPs may only pass tetras to their team's robot when the robot is in the loading zone and disabled. HPs are not allowed to pass tetras to or interact with, robots of another team, even if on same alliance. Violations will result in disabling of HP's robot, and receiving team's robot...

So only my HP can pass a tetra to my robot. So there will be major coordination among HPs and robots, realizing who is where.

However, to really answer the question, if you're asking if your robot can take a tetra from another robot on the field, I would say yes. It's like picking it off the floor, or stealing it from an opponent.

another thing, can one team go over to the opposing team and take their tetra preventing them from getting points?

I don't think I've seen a rule against it - if it's on the floor, or in their robot grip. But you cannot unstack it from the top. You can manipulate any scoring tetra you want.

You could probably take a tetra away from another robot or block another robot from obtaining the tetra. That, in my book, is just defense.

Depends on the definition of blocking. From rule G15 -
You CANNOT block a robot from receiving a tetra if that robot is inside the loading zone already. You cannot put an arm, or anything to prevent that robot from getting it.
But I would imagine you could block the robot BEFORE it gets into the load zone. But if any part of their robot is inside that loading zone, you cannot block them. 30pt penalty for that.
I think it will be tough to see across the field to see if an opponent has any part of him inside their load zone, but if you bump them or something *accidentally*, it probably wouldn't be bad. It's the intentional blocking (which you'd think would look obvious) them from recieving a tetra or trying to pull them out of their load zone that would be bad.

What about removing your own tetras? Is that legal?

No, as the rule stated earlier, you cannot remove a tetra from the top of a goal. You can move whatever you want around that's inside (under) the goal.

[Red Dragon]

I think you can hinder a robot from getting to a tetra or moving out of the loading zone

<G21> A ROBOT cannot pin (inhibit the movement of another ROBOT while in contact with one or more field
elements) for more than 10 seconds. If a ROBOT has been pinned for 10 seconds, the team with the pinning
ROBOT will be told by the referee to release the pinned ROBOT and back away approximately 3 feet. Once
the pinning ROBOT has backed off by 3 feet, it may again attempt to pin its opponent and, if successful, the
10 second count starts over. If a referee determines this rule to be violated, a 10-point penalty flag will be
thrown for each violation.

[AmyPrib]

Originally Posted by Red Dragon

I think you can hinder a robot from getting to a tetra or moving out of the loading zone

You can only hinder him from getting a tetra if he is not touching any of his loading zone. One he touches his loading zone, you cannot interfere with his retrieval of a tetra.

I would imagine you could block him from leaving the loading zone though, but I would think you can't go inside his loading zone to pin him against a wall for 9sec.

Though - if he's already received his tetra, I don't know for sure if you can touch or enter his loading zone while he's still in it. Technically you wouldn't be "interefering with a robot retrieving a tetra". There's a rule that states "a robot can only occupy one loading zone at a time", but I don't see a rule that states "only one robot can occupy a loading zone at a time". (there's not that much room the zone, but that kind of statement would then mean two robots, regardless of alliance, could not touch a loading zone at same time).

[Sam Lipscomb]

what if a -red- robot goes and sits in the blue loading zone, over both pads, to prevent blue robots from being manually loaded? ;D

i'm thinking it would be a good defense, but the red robot would not be provided the loading zone immunity. do you think they'd have to move?

[Steve Howland]

Originally Posted by innovativechic

what if a -red- robot goes and sits in the blue loading zone, over both pads, to prevent blue robots from being manually loaded? ;D

i'm thinking it would be a good defense, but the red robot would not be provided the loading zone immunity. do you think they'd have to move?

If the robot was over both pads then <G16> would apply:
A robot may occupy only one loading zone at a time. A violation will result in a 10-point penalty.