Concerns regarding the green paneling/green shirts

[Swan217]

Originally Posted by dlavery

You know that the vision systems of the robots on the field will be calibrated to look for green. If your robot is a similar hue, then you know there is a significant probability that it will be detected by the vision system of the other robots - INCLUDING YOUR ALLIANCE PARTNERS. After about the second time that an alliance partner robot is prevented from grabbing the vision tetra and scoring bonus points because your robot was a confusing color and distracted their vision system, your team is likely to become a pariah.

So, once again, it comes down to a simple question: coloring your robot green (or even yellow, the color of the targets in the goals) may be legal, but is it smart?

Dave makes a very good point here - One that I didn't think of. Being bright green may be cool, but it could be a turnoff if you have an alliance going for the Vision Tetras. Also, Dave gets a bonus Krispie Kreme for making me break out my dictionary to look up "pariah."

Originally Posted by Kyle

Once everyone is able to use the sensors and see how well they are able to detect different shades or a color is when we will all know if it is truly smart to have a green robot and what shade if green at all.

Bad news Kyle: It looks as if the paint being used is nearly identical to MOE Green and ThunderChicken Green.

P.S. - pa·ri·ah ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-r)
n.

1. A social outcast: “Shortly Tom came upon the juvenile pariah of the village, Huckleberry Finn, son of the town drunkard” (Mark Twain).
2. An Untouchable.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

I think what Dave is saying is that if you decide to use green on your robot you are playing with fire. Honestly, most people know MOE's traditional team colors but nobody is going to care and will become irate with you if you mess up their autonomous mode. Quite frankly, if you keep a green color on your robot knowing it might jeopardize someone's autonomous mode you are being completely selfish.

I am not saying it like that, What i meant is we are going to be testing the sensors to see what the color differences it can pick up, IF our green dose have an effect or even if a large majority of people on these forums say that green has an effect we will gladly not have a green robot in the spirit of GP. I was trying to say that we will find a way to have green somewhere in places that will not effect other teams sensors. I am sorry if I sounded like we were going to use green no matter what that was not what i intended to say, what i was trying to say is that since we have no all tried everything with the new sensors there is still a possibility that green wont have an effect, most likely it will though, and if it does, we as a team will take the appropriate actions when we decorate our robot so not to have a negative effect on any other team.

[DantheMan]

Originally Posted by karinka13

We're thinking the same thing over here...would flashing a green light or spray painting your robot green be legal? We still don't have manual access.

It is illegal to have anything that can distract another robot.

[the_undefined]

I don't see any problems with Green Robot / T-Shirts guys.

[shotgunking777]

hey what if you made a robot to throw out like a green flag into the field
ha think about that but don't steal it.....

[Mike Schroeder]

Originally Posted by shotgunking777

hey what if you made a robot to throw out like a green flag into the field
ha think about that but don't steal it.....

well then you would be intentionally removing a part of your robot and that is illeagal in accordance of G24

Originally Posted by USFIRST.org

<G24> Robots may not intentionally detach parts, or leave multiple MECHANISMS on the field. Violations will

result in a 10 point penalty. If a detached COMPONENT or MECHANISM is attached to a goal and prevents

additional STACKING of TETRAS, the team will be disqualified.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by Big Mike

well then you would be intentionally removing a part of your robot and that is illeagal in accordance of G24

A new thought. what if you slapped a panel on your robot that was mostly the same size and shape as the panel on a vision tetra? Then write some fast dead reckoning routines and see if you can occupy the possible position of an opponent's vision tetra in time to distract and confuse their vision system. If you can do this along with other useful things, it makes you a prime partner for a team that is already really good with the vision tetra.

[AnimatorSarah]

The only thing I could see maybe throwing that off is that there are so many dirrent spots the vision tetras could be in. It would seem you would almost have to program a Dead reckoning program for each position which are randomly selected.

I'd also be worried about if that would be concerned a knowledgeable effort to mess with the opposing robots autonomous mode.

But if this was legal all round I could see where this could be useful.

[the_undefined]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

A new thought. what if you slapped a panel on your robot that was mostly the same size and shape as the panel on a vision tetra? Then write some fast dead reckoning routines and see if you can occupy the possible position of an opponent's vision tetra in time to distract and confuse their vision system. If you can do this along with other useful things, it makes you a prime partner for a team that is already really good with the vision tetra.

R26 forbidds any additional parts that are intendet to interfer with any of the sensors or the vision system ...

[FIRST JerseyKid]

I just hope that in practice the robots dont start attacking fans. I think FIRST is plotting against moe just like when they said no more sticks and load objects.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by FIRST JerseyKid

I just hope that in practice the robots dont start attacking fans. I think FIRST is plotting against moe just like when they said no more sticks and load objects.

Now remember that I wasnt the first one to say this but....... j/k The sensors wont be able to reach out of the feild to attack fans, also the sensors should be pointed down so they can pick up the vision tetras and yellow markers under the goals.

[Anchi]

personally, i wish you would all grow up and stop this nonsensical babbling about being a pain to all the other teams and focus on strats which show a slight level of non selfish playing, and that are legal. as to people "losing" their team colors, i see no reason you cant stick with your aluminum channel and some good ol' Mother's. you would make your pit green and stuff like that. you could even interject a little humor into it and paint something on your robot like: "THIS CHASSIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE GREEN...", or "THIS IS GREEN IN REALITY"(painted blue).

on a lighter note, our sensor was not able to pick up a person in a green shirt from 30 feet and the field is what 54ish?

[ZoNeGuY]

I have a definite feeling that FIRST is going to change the color sensors at the last moment to something like a purple. If thats even possible....
Then again they can pretty much do whatever during a match.


-Z o N e

[russell]

<R26> No devices or decorations are permitted on the robot that are intended to jam or interfere with the
operation of the vision system (i.e. changing robot color to confuse opponent’s vision system).

[Kevin Sevcik]

Originally Posted by the_undefined

R26 forbidds any additional parts that are intendet to interfer with any of the sensors or the vision system ...

As quoted above, R26 forbids you from jamming or interfering with the vision system. a green panel would just distract the robot's program. the camera would be working perfectly, just looking at the wrong thing. If you could pull it off quick enough you'd have a 33% chance of confusing your opponent. This is assuming you have a good alliance that doesn't need your help elsewhere during autonomous.