Universal goal location designations

[pakrat]

OK, here's the shortest, and seems to be easy to remember:

Far Left........Far Mid........Far Right

Mid Left........CENTER........Mid Right

Near Left......Near Mid.......Near Right

Everything's two sylables

Hope you like it, i think its what i'll use

[n0cturnalxb]

Originally Posted by Sarotu

My suggestion (from opponents’ side toward you)

Far left == Far center == Far right

Center left == Center center == Center Right

Home Left == Home Center == Home Right

Each address is unique, and obvious. Opting to call opponents side ‘Far’ instead of 'opponent' or something… just because they start their doesn’t mean they will control those towers =D

i like.

FL, FC, FR
CL, CC, CR
HL, HC, HR

I would say either this one (in the above quote) or the number-pad one:

opponent
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9
your alliance


since our minds tend to think right to left, top to bottom, this should be pretty easy to remember

[Mr. A]

Originally Posted by Sarotu

My suggestion (from opponents’ side toward you)

Far left == Far center == Far right

Center left == Center center == Center Right

Home Left == Home Center == Home Right

Each address is unique, and obvious. Opting to call opponents side ‘Far’ instead of 'opponent' or something… just because they start their doesn’t mean they will control those towers =D

Another idea is to refer to the blue and red ends of the field

Blue left == Blue center == Blue right

Mid left == Mid center == Mid Right

Red Left == Red Center == Red Right

Of course you would have to remember which end of the field you are on.

If you eliminate left and right (ie. blue auto, blue center, blue human or blue back, blue center, blue front) this would also work for the announcer calling the match.

[DougHogg]

Originally Posted by Mr. A

It seems to me that in order for team coaches to communicate with their drivers, and their two alliance coaches, there should be a consistant terminology for identifying goal positions. We discussed it and would suggest the following:

Left 3 . . . . . Center 3 . . . . . Right 3

Left 2 . . . . . Center 2 . . . . . Right 2

Left 1 . . . . . Center 1 . . . . . Right 1

Where one is the closest to the driver, and three is the farthest.

As long as people know their right from their left (with which I'll admit I still have some difficulty) this would make it easy to instruct a driver or suggest to an alliance member to go after a specific goal.

Whatever the terminology is it should be agreed on between teams prior to a match, but I think it would really make it easy if we have something universal that all teams already know.

What do you think out there, and how do we spread the word?

Our team wanted to standardize on the number pad format, but after seeing this thread, I think the above format is better in a pressure situation (which I don't think will be unusual in this year's game).

I would like to suggest a slight change to the above, namely saying the row before the column. That seems a little easier for me to spit out for some reason. So it would be "Row 1 left" and which would be abbreviated as follows:


3 left . . . . . 3 center . . . . . 3 right

2 left . . . . . 2 center . . . . . 2 right

1 left . . . . . 1 center . . . . . 1 right

[Michael Leicht]

Originally Posted by Mr. A

It seems to me that in order for team coaches to communicate with their drivers, and their two alliance coaches, there should be a consistant terminology for identifying goal positions. We discussed it and would suggest the following:

Left 3 . . . . . Center 3 . . . . . Right 3

Left 2 . . . . . Center 2 . . . . . Right 2

Left 1 . . . . . Center 1 . . . . . Right 1

Where one is the closest to the driver, and three is the farthest.

As long as people know their right from their left (with which I'll admit I still have some difficulty) this would make it easy to instruct a driver or suggest to an alliance member to go after a specific goal.

Whatever the terminology is it should be agreed on between teams prior to a match, but I think it would really make it easy if we have something universal that all teams already know.

What do you think out there, and how do we spread the word?

i think it is a great idea Mr. A did you tell our engineers about this yet?

[dhitchco]

I believe that there are a total of 23 "known" positions on the field for each alliance's robot. Count out loud if you want:
nine (9) goals
four (4) visual tetras to go after
two (2) auto-load stations
two (2) manual-load stations
three (3) starting locations (OK, pretty much a "known")
three (3) finishing stations

Therefore, I suggest that everyone memorize the military radio alphabet. Calls on the filed might go something like this:
"Team ALPHA, drive your robot to location ZULU"
"Team BRAVO, drive your robot to loader at location "TANGO"

You get the picture......
Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Dog, Echo, Foxtrot.........
Over and out for now

[Ken Loyd]

I polled our coaches, drivers, button pushers, and human players as well as the mentors, teachers, and a few parents. The number pad idea was the winner with above 90%. Perhaps a poll is called for? We are in favor of a universal code...we would like to keep it simple.

Ken

[ChrisH]

Originally Posted by Ken Loyd

I polled our coaches, drivers, button pushers, and human players as well as the mentors, teachers, and a few parents. The number pad idea was the winner with above 90%. Perhaps a poll is called for? We are in favor of a universal code...we would like to keep it simple.

Ken

The number pad has one distinct advantage over the other designations. A coach can communicate which goal to go to by simply showing his fingers. This is real handy when you are surrounded by screaming throngs on Einstien and can't hear each other anyway. Not that I know the above from personal experience, but I've heard that it can be hard to talk down there. In such noisy situations non-verbal signals are really helpful. Or do you think the guys on carriers wave those sticks around for the fun of it?

[Jeff Rodriguez]

I like Pakrat's suggestion
Far Left........Far Mid........Far Right

Mid Left........CENTER........Mid Right

Near Left......Near Mid.......Near Right

It's probably what I'll be using. Any driver can understand it, even if it's their first time looking at the field. If you tell a new driver to cap goal 8, they'll probably have no idea what your taking about. But if you say cap the Far Mid goal, they'll know which one.

[Sarotu]

It seems to me that the number pad concept has the highest chance of causing confusion… however it is the fastest. Saying “five” vs “Center Center”
Although it may be harder for someone who hasn’t heard of the key pad naming scheme. Where as Center Center is obvious. In all things there are trade offs…

[jrocket567]

I would hope that each team has their own way of communicating goals between themselves atleast... My driver better know what goal 8 is when i start screamin at him.. I would hope that there is better ties between the coaches and the drivers that they would not know what terminology the coach is using.. a universal would be great.. especially between alliance members.. the numbers seem to be the easiest, but i would drop #6 and put CENTER in there... that is a no-brainer to anyone, without thinkin.
j

[Mr. A]

I think right now I like Doug Hogg's suggestion best.
Using numbered rows allows you to use hand signals (one, two, or three fingers) for the number of the row, and point your thumb left, up, or right for position.

3 left . . . . . 3 center . . . . . 3 right

2 left . . . . . 2 center . . . . . 2 right

1 left . . . . . 1 center . . . . . 1 right

[Mr. A]

Originally Posted by Mr. A

I think right now I like Doug Hogg's suggestion best.
Using numbered rows allows you to use hand signals (one, two, or three fingers) for the number of the row, and point your thumb left, up, or right for position.

3 left . . . . . 3 center . . . . . 3 right

2 left . . . . . 2 center . . . . . 2 right

1 left . . . . . 1 center . . . . . 1 right

Or one other thought that's easy with hand signals:

31.....32.....33

21.....22.....23

11.....12.....13

[Ken Loyd]

The Gila Monsters plan on making laminated index cards of whichever universal form is finally decided upon by the CD community. We will give the cards to all the coaches of all the teams at the Arizona, Colorado, and Las Vegas Regionals.

Ken

[Denman]

Originally Posted by pakrat

OK, here's the shortest, and seems to be easy to remember:

Far Left........Far Mid........Far Right

Mid Left........CENTER........Mid Right

Near Left......Near Mid.......Near Right

Everything's two sylables

Hope you like it, i think its what i'll use

I like that but i am thinking maybe a poll should be run and the winner come ship time should be used universally as by then people may have been able to practise and stuff and know which they prefer