Goals, balls.. Can't we all just get along?

Originally posted by Jnadke


Wildstang could grab 2 goals... and do balls..

I noticed this a mistake while after posting it... yeah i checked the scouting sheets from MMR and I noticed that wildstang only went after 1 goal at a time in all but 1 quallifying match. So i basically left that detail out

[Perseus]

Originally posted by Joel J.
In this case, chances are the two goal bot won't make it back to the endzone (unless they have a tether), allowing the opposing alliance to simply put one ball in the goal for the win.

That is true, but most bots that were designed for two goals also have a tether. You all have to remember that there are balls behind the alliance station.

[Mark_lyons]

And so it goes....

The point of this thread was for the ball bots and the goal bots to start realizing the need to co-exist!

This is a great game this year, and there are advantages to having both a goal bot and a ball bot (or a combination of the two), however, the team(s), that get the point will have the advantage in the long run!

All I can say is, the final match at the championship event will be awesome! Just remember, you heard it here..

The winning alliance will have a combination of the two!

[purplehaze357]

The winning alliance will have a combination of the two!

yes suh it will be...well said

i dont know if i agree with that........ the winning alliance will have the capabitily to both grab goals and collect balls...... but i dont think its going to be a black and white ball bot and goal bot

or it might just be a simple robot that gets a goal and a few balls while thier excessively powerful alliance harasses the opponent

maybe two really powerful goal bots... if the opponent cant get the goals away theyve got nothing right?

i think theres too many combinations for anything to be predicted at this point

[yimjh]

By the time we get to championship finals, all the bots will be awesome regardless of whether they're ball or goal bots, and either will be capable of winning.

In my opinion, it will be up to the teams that can pull off some fancy driving and good strategies. Robot function will almost be secondary.

I'm really looking forwards to the Championships.


-Jeremy

Aragon Robotics - Team #840
SV Regional - Semi-Finalists, Highest Rookie Seed

you are absolutely right...... driving is a lot more important than i think most people realize.... and where would anyone be without strategy?

[Jnadke]

Originally posted by D.J. Fluck


I noticed this a mistake while after posting it... yeah i checked the scouting sheets from MMR and I noticed that wildstang only went after 1 goal at a time in all but 1 quallifying match. So i basically left that detail out

Yeah, they also controlled 2 goals in one of your finals matches against the alliance with Team 135 in it. You guys were frolicking around in the ball patch while they were dominating the other two robots in the scoring zone...

[Hubicki]

In my opinion, ball manipulators are sort of the underdogs for the elimination rounds. They have to develop a more creative strategy to win against big, torqueing, goal manipulators. I believe that effective multiple goal handler bots will have an advantage in elimination matches, but will not necessarily dominate. The whole match will all ride upon the fate of the third goal. If the ball handlers stuff it full with enough balls, then they'll win. However, if the other alliance snags it for themselves, then its an automatic win. The moral of the story is that Finals can go either way. The same is true with qualification matches. Ball manipulators do have an advantage in scoring high QPs, but goal bots aren't necessarily crippled. Goal bots can consistantly earn 90 QPs with a 2-1 goal setup. Also, a ball manipulator's goal can possibly be taken away to reverse the score. It will all depend on the alliance that utilizes their robot resources the best.
That's just my opinion though...
~Hubicki~

[sidewinder]

They may seem weak and not as effective in elims, but........
47 and 33's alliance beat us out in the finals of western michigan winning on balls.

Baller's pushing power is frequently laughable (not always), but they have the some of the fastest and most innovative drive trains out there. Pulling um may not be hard, but gettin the goal away will be an issue.


On a personal issue, many teams are bragging about new "home and away devices" and trying to be mysterious... If u buy a tape measure and can tape it to your bot, then just say it... cuz its nothing special.

[PsychoPhil]

Originally posted by Digo
you let your opponent with two goals. they will be very satisfied and will be concerned only about protecting them, so you can freely score A LOT of balls in the goal your partner is holding and win.

This could be kind of true!
If you have a really strong goal handler that can hold this one goal in place the opponent will be happy with two goals, but once one of their bots secured them the second opponent bot can scatter balls, block your ballhandler etc...
IT's to complex to think even about all the possibilities and variations! I believe goal bots will MAINLYbe dominating the eliminatin rounds, there won't be too many ball-handler, ALTHOUGH I'd really like to see many ballhandlers, alliances with a ball-andler are just more fun to watch and you see more diversity in the games...
Well, see you guys all at the nats (I'll only be there to watch, but anyways), so long, Philip