YMTC: Redabot Splits the Field

[Kevin Sevcik]

It'd be a pretty strong strategy if you went in front of the center goal and did it, actually. It'd make it harder for the other team to cap the center row. But at any rate, it sounds legal to me.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Can someone help me here?

In 2003, team #68 Truck Town had large wings that extended across the ramp and down the sides. Their wings reached over the edge of the ramp and down the sides. The end of the wings were around the support bars. Here's a picture:
http://firstrobotics.net/03gallery/i...0068-1_jpg.jpg

You can see that the wings don't actually grab the bars, but use them as leverage if they were pushed, similar to the wings described in this thread.

If I remember correctly, the wings were ruled illegal and team 68 was not allowed to use the end sections of them.

To me, this should be the same call for the example given.

Please correct me if I'm mistaken with team 68 in 2003.

[devicenull]

Legal, but it doesn't make sense. By being in the center goal, you probably aren't blocking the other team from capping the center row, your just blocking them from capping your far row. You've just enabled them to cap all 6 goals available to them with no one to stop them. Legal, IMO, but it wouldn't make sense to block there

[Joe Ross]

Originally Posted by Ogre

You can see that the wings don't actually grab the bars, but use them as leverage if they were pushed, similar to the wings described in this thread.

If I remember correctly, the wings were ruled illegal and team 68 was not allowed to use the end sections of them.

To me, this should be the same call for the example given.

Yes that was the case with 68 in 2003. However, the rules were written differently then. You couldn't intentionally react with the bars. FIRST's argument was that the end sections were worthless if they didn't react with the bar.

This year, you are allowed to react with the goals, as long as damage does not occur to them. Since Lucien specifically said that no damage occurs, then they are legal.

I do not believe that it is reasonable to assume that a robot can actually do this without damaging the goals, but that wasn't the question

[Projectchon]

I don't think FIRST would like this to happen

beside the arm could break easily

[MasonMM]

Legal. If theres no damage to the goals then it doesn't violate and penalties in that aspect. And becuse you arn't constantly putting any forces on opposing robots you wouldn't violate any of the agressive defense penalties.

[663.keith]

this would be legal. there was another team during stack attack that used "wings" made out of compression foam. These wings were determined leagal, and I think they won an award for them.

This strategy could be helpful, but it just seems too impractical to work