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Re: Electronics visible?

They also wanted the "Robot Reset" button accessable when they inspected us at Sac.
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Re: Electronics visible?

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They also wanted the "Robot Reset" button accessable when they inspected us at Sac.
Fortunately, if that's a problem, there are header pins on the RC to which you can connect external switches to replace both the Program and Reset switches.
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Re: Electronics visible?

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Fortunately, if that's a problem, there are header pins on the RC to which you can connect external switches to replace both the Program and Reset switches.
Electrically thats possible .. if the inspectors allow it is another story.
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Electrically thats possible .. if the inspectors allow it is another story.
That's why they are part of the RC. Please make electronics visible, it makes an inspection much easier and it willhelp you when a problem arises. Don't forget a potential finals alliance partner will want to know you can make repairs quickly and diagnose problems should they arise.
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Re: Electronics visible?

<R63> A remote reset and remote programming switch may be wired to the Robot Controller’s RESET/PROG header. Any switch may be used. See the Robot Controller Reference Guide for wiring information.


There is no requirement for access to the RESET button this year. But it is still a good idea
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Re: Electronics visible?

Please please please take this to heart. It only takes one "we have an elimination match in FIVE MINUTES!!!" with one bad inaccessible wire/pwm cable/fuse/radio/whatever to ruin an entire year...

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Re: Electronics visible?

Hmm...well our team planned to get an aluminum hood that would cover the electronics and protect them during operation. However, the hood will be hinged on the side so that it can be easily opened up to access the electronics. So does this mean that we'll have to cut a slot open in the hood so that the LED's will be visible while we're competing? I'm getting mixed answers from this thread, I understand that we'll have to have the electronics ACCESSABLE, but do we also need to have the LED's visible so that they can be seen from a distance while the robot is in use (competing on the playing field)? Because I don't think that'd matter much, since if the LED's WERE visible you wouldn't be able to discern from twenty feet which LED was correpsonding a certain problem anyways.

So I guess the question is: can we use a protective shielding/hood to protect the electronics during operation, but which can also be easily removed to access the electronics componenets for inspection and while in the pit area?

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Re: Electronics visible?

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So I guess the question is: can we use a protective shielding/hood to protect the electronics during operation, but which can also be easily removed to access the electronics componenets for inspection and while in the pit area?
The answer from this Inspector is: as minimum the LEDs on the RC must be visible without opening/removing anything.

This is due to the time sensitive nature to the competition. The IFI rep checks each robot before each match.
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So I guess the question is: can we use a protective shielding/hood to protect the electronics during operation, but which can also be easily removed to access the electronics componenets for inspection and while in the pit area?
You can do whatever you think is best but...If an IFI rep or another smart individual can't see the panel when you are having a problem, they won't be able to help. It is wise to cover the RC but when things start acting up, you want to be able to get some feedback and see that all the PWM connectors and sensor are still connected. When you are 30 seconds from the start of a match and are on the field with your alliance waiting for you, do you want to be removing a big metal cover?
As an inspector, I will agree with Mr. Tedrow, we need to see to help you.
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Re: Electronics visible?

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So I guess the question is: can we use a protective shielding/hood to protect the electronics during operation, but which can also be easily removed to access the electronics componenets for inspection and while in the pit area?
Protecting the electronics is a smart idea. However, you are better off using polycarbonate instead of aluminum.
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Protecting the electronics is a smart idea. However, you are better off using polycarbonate instead of aluminum.
Unless you're using transparent aluminum. Oh Wait that hasn't been invented yet
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Re: Electronics visible?

Thanks for the responses. We're probably going to just mill a rectangular hole in the center of the hood and screw on lexan to cover it. And that aluminum article, even though it's around 6 monhts old, is pretty interesting. It's only a matter of time....

Think....transparent titanium?
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