YMTC: Bluabot "Slinkys" Tetras

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Natchez

I thought ALL the smart people went to bed before 10:00

One out and Casey is up to bat,
Lucien

I thought all the old people did too.....

So say the blue team descores some stacked red tetras and they fall to the ground. The 3-points for each red descored tetra now belong to the red team, along with ownership of the goal. Are the fallen red tetras now fair game for the red team to stack and score elsewhere? If so, I assume, then, that if they place them on the same goal they were stacked on originally, each tetra now represents 6 points each - 3 for being part of the original descored stack, and 3 for being a part of the new one - weird concept.

Who is responsible for making a mental note of of the snapshot of how many red tetras were stacked before they were descored? Unless there were refs dedicated to watching one or a small group of the goals all the time (which may be the case), it seems like it would be difficult for the refs given the fast pace of the match to accurately document the stack conditions prior to descoring so they can take them into account during the final score tally.

One final thing. If the refs aren't certain of those conditions at match end, would this be a situation where instant replay could be put to good use?

[Pat Major]

A: If you displace a tetra from a stacked position to a "precarious" position, you have de-scored the tetra and will be penalized "if" you leave the tetra in this position. If you return the tetra to a stacked position in the process of stacking your own tetra, you will not be penalized. If the tetra falls completely off the goal, you will be penalized.

I hate to nitpick but this happened.

In the final match of the finals at FLR a robot was speeding PAST the center goal his arm hit the tetras and descored some of them. The robot was not in the act of trying to score a tetra he was just quickly moving across the field. If he had time could he have turned around (by now he is 15 feet away from the goal) driven back to the goal reseated the tetras and not lost ownership of the goal? Would the robot have to go get one of his tetras and use it to rescore the descored tetras, so he would be " in the process of stacking your own tetra"? The Referees took what has been called "the longest time in FIRST" to make the call. We all sat with our cameras in hand knowing what the proper call should be. In this case the proper call was finally made. It sure seems like the use of a replay would be helpful to the referees.

[Stu Bloom]

Originally Posted by Pat Major

... The Referees took what has been called "the longest time in FIRST" to make the call. We all sat with our cameras in hand knowing what the proper call should be. In this case the proper call was finally made. It sure seems like the use of a replay would be helpful to the referees.

So what was "the proper call"? It seems to me that the rules are fairly clear on this one ...

[Pat Major]

Originally Posted by Stu Bloom

So what was "the proper call"? It seems to me that the rules are fairly clear on this one ...

The proper call was, the team that descored lost control of the goal. My question is a "what if" they wanted to regain control of the goal, could they? Can you go back to a goal that you have descored at a latter time in the match, try to score a tetra, reseating the descored tetras, and regain the goal? You would be "in the process of stacking your own tetra". It seems like the answer should be yes, but I do not think this is within the intent of the rule.

[Rick TYler]

Just to defend my rules-reading honor, I voted for red because I thought the YMTC scenario said the tetras fell off completely. If I could change my vote I would...