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Bluateam "owns" the center goal 27 93.10%
Redateam "owns" the center goal 2 6.90%
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot "Slinkys" Tetras

A: If you displace a tetra from a stacked position to a "precarious" position, you have de-scored the tetra and will be penalized "if" you leave the tetra in this position. If you return the tetra to a stacked position in the process of stacking your own tetra, you will not be penalized. If the tetra falls completely off the goal, you will be penalized.

I hate to nitpick but this happened.

In the final match of the finals at FLR a robot was speeding PAST the center goal his arm hit the tetras and descored some of them. The robot was not in the act of trying to score a tetra he was just quickly moving across the field. If he had time could he have turned around (by now he is 15 feet away from the goal) driven back to the goal reseated the tetras and not lost ownership of the goal? Would the robot have to go get one of his tetras and use it to rescore the descored tetras, so he would be " in the process of stacking your own tetra"? The Referees took what has been called "the longest time in FIRST" to make the call. We all sat with our cameras in hand knowing what the proper call should be. In this case the proper call was finally made. It sure seems like the use of a replay would be helpful to the referees.
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot "Slinkys" Tetras

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... The Referees took what has been called "the longest time in FIRST" to make the call. We all sat with our cameras in hand knowing what the proper call should be. In this case the proper call was finally made. It sure seems like the use of a replay would be helpful to the referees.
So what was "the proper call"? It seems to me that the rules are fairly clear on this one ...
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot "Slinkys" Tetras

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So what was "the proper call"? It seems to me that the rules are fairly clear on this one ...
The proper call was, the team that descored lost control of the goal. My question is a "what if" they wanted to regain control of the goal, could they? Can you go back to a goal that you have descored at a latter time in the match, try to score a tetra, reseating the descored tetras, and regain the goal? You would be "in the process of stacking your own tetra". It seems like the answer should be yes, but I do not think this is within the intent of the rule.
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Re: YMTC: Bluabot "Slinkys" Tetras

Just to defend my rules-reading honor, I voted for red because I thought the YMTC scenario said the tetras fell off completely. If I could change my vote I would...
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