Red Advantage ?

[Krystine T.]

In Sacramento the number one alliance (1097, 254, 114) were blue in the final match at the Sacramento Regional. and 1097 was seeded number one, 254 was seeded number two. Therefore the highest seeded alliance is not always red.

[Btower]

All I know s the version of the software we used at GLR put the higher seed in red every time. Considering the amount of updates to the scoring system (at least 2/day) I would not be suprised if it has changed.
Ben

[JohnnyB]

I dunno about all your theories, but I definitely think red has an advantage... I play much better on red...

This is because we go to the auto loade a LOT during a match. Our practice feild was set up with the auto loader on the left side, like it is on the red alliance. On the blue side however, the autoloader is on the right side. I think FIRST should have made the two halves of the field the same, rather than mirrored them like they did. Not a big deal, but it definitely makes it a touch easier for us on red side. (Red 2 is by far my favorite starting position)

I can see blue just fine... no difference (I like to think I have good eyes though)

[Ben Margolis]

Actually, I've noticed a red advantage also. I think it may actually have to do with scoring, rather than driving. I've noticed a lot more blue rows that don't get counted than I have red. It's probably the lighting... red is easier to see, as you guys said.

[Rombus]

:Looks back and forth quickly then puts on his tinfoil hat:

I don’t have much time...there watching me with there xray spy sats right now....The conspiracy that FIRST Is actually ran by communist Russia! Think about it, the tetra, if you put 5 of them together, you get the red star!!! OH NO THERE RIGHT OUT SIDE!!!!
AHHH

</Conspiracy theorist mode>

While this may be true, hasn’t Red vs. Blue been part of first since the start? Has anyone looked at Red vs. blue since the start of first?

[Daniel Brim]

Oh and by the way, it's been said before but:
This is simply part of the game challenge.

Deal with it (in a GP manner of course )

-Daniel

[Simon Strauss]

Originally Posted by DanielBCR

Deal with it (in a GP manner of course )

-Daniel

oh we're not complaining we're just theorizing because since its no longer build and people like me still have to wait 12 days until their regionals, so we have nothing better to do. I'm still going with that its because red is easier to see, but i cant be to sure cause i haven't competed yet.

[RbtGal1351]

well has someone put the regular seeding matches' results together to see if red wins over blue in those?
since we're all thinking that in elims red is the higher seeded aliance--arent the seeding matches purely random?

~Stephanie
Team 1351

[elknise]

I just got home from the Pacific North West Regional and the blue side's controller box and wireless stuff kept dieing. We waited around for about 2 and a half hours today and about and hour yesterday while they fixed it. A lot of people there noticed about a 3-5 second delay on blue alliance robots until they regained control after autonomous mode, while red was instantaneous. Was anyone else there and noticed it?

[RyanMcE]

Originally Posted by elknise

I just got home from the Pacific North West Regional and the blue side's controller box and wireless stuff kept dieing. We waited around for about 2 and a half hours today and about and hour yesterday while they fixed it. A lot of people there noticed about a 3-5 second delay on blue alliance robots until they regained control after autonomous mode, while red was instantaneous. Was anyone else there and noticed it?

I can't speak to there being any delay, as I never touched the controls, but Blue certainly seemed to have issues all competition long - breaking down three times for a total of about three hours of downtime.

However, I just reviewed out scouting info from the regional, and found that, if anything, blue had the advantage at the PNW regional:

blue won 37 times to red's 24 wins
blue scored 1640 total points to red's 1332

With hard numbers like these, I think its hard to say that red had any advantage this year.

[KTorak]

At GLR, it seemed like Blue was winning more...expescially in the quarter/semi finals, Red only won a few times. I really wanted to be blue, lol) I think it might have had something to do with the fact the coaches could see stuff better on the opposite side of the field due to the projected images from the camera man above the red driver station...But, we'll probably never know!

Something to note that I think may have been left out is that your environment also plays a role. Consider which side of the field that the jumbo-tron is over (if it's behind the blue, then red can see the top view of the field and live score whereas the blue teams coaches have to turn to see them), and which side the DJ is on (again, if it's on the blue side, after 3 matches, your coach is probally to hoarse to do much coaching ).
As for so far, I'd hve to take the null as the standing hypothesis. With conflicting reports, I'll have to get some statistically signifigant proof from all match types with the higher-seed-to-the-red-side taken into account. I'll be sure to look out for this at Anapolis and Chesapeke though.

[Tom Bishop]

On the FIRST site for the PTR, while the scores for red and blue are correct, the teams are reversed, so that the winning alliances look like they are loosing and vis versa. This also means that the high seeds are often in blue, since they usually won in the elimination rounds. This is going on for all scores from the qualifiers to the finals. You might want to adjust your analysis accordingly.

[elknise]

Why would they put the screen above one alliance? At our event, the field was horizontal to the seating in the stadium and the screen was right in front of the audience, so it was between both of the alliances. Let me see if i can do a picture:

[Yan Wang]

Originally Posted by elknise

Why would they put the screen above one alliance? At our event, the field was horizontal to the seating in the stadium and the screen was right in front of the audience, so it was between both of the alliances. Let me see if i can do a picture:

Sometimes they can fit more people into the stadium/arena if the screen area in your picture is another set of bleachers. Or maybe the floorplan lets people get around faster/better when the screen is set up behind one alliance. That doesn't mean anyone has to like it. It was this way at FLR and at a few of the regionals I've been to. It's harder for spectators to see, but as for the drive teams, it's not something you should need to look at anyway.