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View Poll Results: What are your feelings on penalty announcements?
Give us all the info, we need to know. 127 83.55%
Just give infractions and alliance 'cause we don't need to embarass anyone. 20 13.16%
Keep to your job of announcing you talk too much already. We don't want teams centered out. 5 3.29%
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Re: POLL - Penalties

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Take a look at <S05> Some penalties are easily defined, but the definition doesn't make any sense, unless a bot is programed to speak, then goes and talks mean to a human player.
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A few years back (2002?) at PARC, my son took a turn at being a human player during practice rounds. He tried to shoot a ball about 3/4 the distance of the field, and it nailed a robot dead center. He was a bit embarrassed, so he shot at goals that were nearer for a while. Getting more confidence though, he again attempted to do another long distance shot. BAM!! Another direct hit on the same robot. So, just before the practice round ended, the robot, loaded with balls comes over to the player station where my son was shooting from and starts throwing the balls over the barrier and onto him. Funniest thing I ever saw at a competition. Robot may have been 222 Tigertrons.

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Re: POLL - Penalties

The practice of announcing the penalties, along with the points assessed and the team that made the violation, was used during week 1 in Richmond, and in week 2 at St Louis. The refs in St Louis took an additional step that worked very well. The referees had all worked for the week before the event to develop a set of very visible hand signals to correspond to the common violations. They also all had whistles. During a match, if a violation occured they would blow their whistle as they threw the penalty flag, and use the hand signal to indicate the violation (agressive play, human player outside the loading box, robot not in loading zone, etc.). The teams could adjust their play style during the course of the match in response, and avoid more penalties. It also helped the audience keep up with what was happening, and made the games even more fun to watch.

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Re: POLL - Penalties

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The referees had all worked for the week before the event to develop a set of very visible hand signals to correspond to the common violations. They also all had whistles. During a match, if a violation occured they would blow their whistle as they threw the penalty flag, and use the hand signal to indicate the violation (agressive play, human player outside the loading box, robot not in loading zone, etc.).
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No loud music, audio systems, whistles, banging sticks, blow horns, etc.
They interfere with announcements. They prevent teams from hearing
important announcements, can be annoying, and can cause hearing loss.
Power may be shut off and/or radio/cd player, noise makers confiscated.
Looks like the referees were in violation of Rule 7.4. They should have had those whistles confiscated by the proper authorities.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

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Looks like the referees were in violation of Rule 7.4. They should have had those whistles confiscated by the proper authorities.

They were. The Head Referee confiscated the whistle from the Assistant Referee. The Assistant Referee confiscated the whistle from the Red Line Referee. The Red Line Referee confiscated the whistle from the Blue Line Referee. The Blue Line Referee confiscated the whistle from the Blue Loading Zone Referee. The Blue Loading Zone Referee confiscated the whistle from the Red Loading Zone Referee. The Red Loading Zone Referee confiscated the whistle from the Red Human Player Referee. The Red Human Player Referee confiscated the whistle from the Blue Human Player Referee. The Blue Human Player Referee confiscated the confiscated whistle from the Head Referee. Then the Head Referee confiscated the confiscated whistle from the Assistant Referee, and the Assistant Referee confiscated the confiscated whistle from ...... (you get the idea)

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Re: POLL - Penalties

Anouncing the penalties was a good idea. I preferred it over not knowing. It allowed us to know what we did wrong without having to filter through the video. I hope the tradition is continued.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

announcing helps for a lot of people. it helps the scouters get info about teams and what penalties they might cause in the future. it also helps the team penalized to know what not to do next time and it helps the other teams by giving them something to look out for. keep up the announcing MCs.

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Re: POLL - Penalties

THe announcments about pealtys help us coach our drivers better and help our scouting team rate the robots better, b/c you can have the best bot in the place but if your drivers keep geting penaltys for the same thing then you arn't going to get picked for the finals.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

i got a penilty for just haveing one foot in the manul loading zone and thay docked us 10 points; i was fully in the square exept my other foot was off the ground in the box... it sucked!


but you got to under stand that the reffs are stressed too with calling what happen and all that fun stuff... thanks for reading my rambleingness
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I like the fact that you announce who did it and what they did. It's a learning experience and if an audience member was watching that team, they can say, oh, now I get it. Especially to those of us working with rookie teams, it makes our jobs 100% easier if you announce the problem instead of making me try to describe it in "Beth-terms." Also, while all of us in the organization should, in theory, know what the penalties are and know everything about the whole entire game (yes, there was a bit of sarcasm in that), there are parents, grandparents, friends and media that are also observing our game. If part of our ambition is to expand the program and get more people to know about it, we need to make our announcements "non-FIRST person friendly." So keep making the announcements, let's make sure everyone understands what's going on!
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Re: POLL - Penalties

Calling out the penalties and which team got them would be great help. At the Florida regional, they called out that a penalty was made before the scored, but did not call out the side the penalty was made until after the qualifying rounds. In most of our matches some of our alliance partners accumulated penalities, as did we, but the thing was we only were able to find out about one penalty we did, because our human player grabbed the tetra to soon to load our robot. The only reason we knew this one was because the judge told the human player when it happened. Other than that i asked the refs for a penalty break down, but i got a response of "We don't know what teams made the penalties, just the alliances." So we just did not worry about what penalties were made on our alliances. I still would like to know what penalties we got on our alliances, as being driver, this information would help me to not commit such penalties in the future as what is ramming at "high speeds" and the likes. Not that we were malicious in any of our actions, and a big sorry to team 845 cutting edge for putting you guys in the goal when you were trying to score. Anyways the good information was lacking and I think it would have been very helpful to all teams.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

I have emailed Blair and he will be trying to contact the other announcers to try and get standardized. Thanks for the great responses and please continue your input.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

As a driver, these announcements were great. Since we were able to hear them before we got off the field we knew if and what we did wrong. Luckily we only recieved one penalty that I remember at Pittsburgh, and although I had a feeling that we would be penalized, it was nice knowing right away what happened.
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Re: POLL - Penalties

I loved the whistles at the St. Louis regional. I did not know if the hand signals were described to the audience however. maybe there could be some kind of FAQ sheet about the game and the penalties either in the programs or on a large poster hanging up somewhere.
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