Winners of Two Regionals

[Karthik]

I don't believe that there has ever been a FIRST season where this many teams have won two regionals. Take a look at this list that I've compiled.

66
67
68
69
71
118
126
179
233
245
375
395
1305

Let me know if I missed anyone.

So, why do I think we have so many repeat winners? Well here are a couple factors...

1.) Increased numbers of seeding matches. When a regional has more seeding matches it's a lot harder for a team to get killed by a tough schedule. This ensures that the top teams end up seeding high. Seeding high makes it a lot easier to win.

2.) Strategy. Triple Play is one of the most strategic FIRST games of all time. There are certain teams who just seem to "get it". This is a very repeatable skill. In a year when many robots have similar capabilities, the ability to play smart becomes paramount.

There are probably some more discreet reasons, but I'm still sorting those out.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think at least two of these teams will make it to the final 12.

[Adam Richards]

You forgot a blatantly obvious one: "Triple". There are 3 teams on the field that can win this year, unlike last year, in which only 2 won.

[Ricky Q.]

3 teams won last year, as alliances had 3 teams on them. 2 on the field, 1 alternate.

[Waynep]

375 also won 2, NJ, and NYC with us.
-wayne

[Masterfork]

Originally Posted by Waynep

375 also won 2, NY, and NYC with us.
-wayne

their are certain elements in the game that you must practice and they are very critical. if you practice them and learn them then it would give the team a leg up on the competition. and a big one of those be ahead of the game which is be one step at least ahead of everyone else when strategiesing

[nobrakes8]

A lot of these guys don't win two by accident either. I think we're seeing teams take advantage of the new KOP (with the chasis and gearbox) and the smartest teams win. Even look at guys like 237 who made the finals at Rochester and NJ.

I don't know patterns about regional champions going onto winning nationals and stuff, but I think it's safe to say the division champions at nationals are going to have at least 2 regional champions on their alliance with an occasional team like 237 that just had some bad luck or couldn't pull off a win in the finals for whatever reason.

This year's game just seems like if you have it figured out, you have an awsome shot at winning. Teams 126 and 69 didn't win their regionals by luck, they won because they're smart, know how to play the game, and know their robot's limits. I'm certain the same is true for the other multiple regional champions.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by nobrakes8

A lot of these guys don't win two by accident either. I think we're seeing teams take advantage of the new KOP (with the chasis and gearbox) and the smartest teams win. Even look at guys like 237 who made the finals at Rochester and NJ.

I don't know patterns about regional champions going onto winning nationals and stuff, but I think it's safe to say the division champions at nationals are going to have at least 2 regional champions on their alliance with an occasional team like 237 that just had some bad luck or couldn't pull off a win in the finals for whatever reason.

This year's game just seems like if you have it figured out, you have an awsome shot at winning. Teams 126 and 69 didn't win their regionals by luck, they won because they're smart, know how to play the game, and know their robot's limits. I'm certain the same is true for the other multiple regional champions.

237 was eliminated in the semis at FLR.

[nobrakes8]

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

237 was eliminated in the semis at FLR.

My bad, #1 ranked at FLR isn't exactly bad though

[Joel J]

Originally Posted by Karthik

I don't believe that there has ever been a FIRST season where this many teams have won two regionals. Take a look at this list that I've compiled.

66
67
68
69
71
118
126
179
233
245
375
395
1305

Let me know if I missed anyone.

So, why do I think we have so many repeat winners? Well here are a couple factors...

1.) Increased numbers of seeding matches. When a regional has more seeding matches it's a lot harder for a team to get killed by a tough schedule. This ensures that the top teams end up seeding high. Seeding high makes it a lot easier to win.

2.) Strategy. Triple Play is one of the most strategic FIRST games of all time. There are certain teams who just seem to "get it". This is a very repeatable skill. In a year when many robots have similar capabilities, the ability to play smart becomes paramount.

There are probably some more discreet reasons, but I'm still sorting those out.

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think at least two of these teams will make it to the final 12.

There is some luck involved. Anyway, I think it also has to do with the change in rank determination. Moving away from 3x losers score allows dominating robots (this year the robots with the better end effector) to win their matches, bubble to the top of the ranks, choose good alliances, rinse, and repeat. Also, unlike last year, there is pretty much only one way to win; get that right, and you just may be golden.

[Zoheb N]

I believe that one of the main reasons these teams have one two regionals is not just because they have worked hard, but because of their alliances. I know this because we won two regionals because of our great allies. At Colorado team Pink and 935 helped us win and at Lone Star with out the help of High Voltage and 495 there would have been no way our robot could have done what it did to help win it.

[Noah Melamed]

What about that any team that wins twice has allready not only competed at but won there first regional giving them an incredible advantage over a team attending their first/only regional the secound time around?

[Tytus Gerrish]

it is the alliances. more importantly the ability to pick your alliance by ranking teams in the order of witch they will be picked. the first thing to be done is to get with the seed that will work with you best. those two teams then decide there list for the third team. I have been out there on the field picking and every time i know exactly who that first seed will pick and i know exactly who will pick us. and while us first 2 reps of the alliance are up there we have a list of numbers that are in the order of witch we listed as they are getting picked we cross them out when its time for us to chose we use the highest team on the list that isn't crossed out. and that is how it's done. and that list

IS ENTIRELY DEPENDNT ON GOOD SCOUTING

this year it is easy all you need to scout is how many goals a team can cover in a match . there are of course other factors. like if the team will cooperate with the alliance or want to do there own thing. of if they have an alternate ability to defend well.

i Credit our Sucess To Dan. he watches all the web casts from the beginning knows how to Win and catches the matches by looking at the whole field and giving me directive of what to cover and what to stop the other guys from covering. there were allot of matches that would not have been won without his quick thinking directions. there are also matches we lost because i either didn't listen to him or didn't understand him.

[nobrakes8]

Originally Posted by Zoheb N

I believe that one of the main reasons these teams have one two regionals is not just because they have worked hard, but because of their alliances. I know this because we won two regionals because of our great allies. At Colorado team Pink and 935 helped us win and at Lone Star with out the help of High Voltage and 495 there would have been no way our robot could have done what it did to help win it.

Good teams put themselves in position to choose or be choosen by other good teams.

[Collmandoman]

Winning a regional early on is a huge bonus. We wouldn't have selected swampthing if we didn't see how it performed under pressure and its strategical moves on the Florida webcast. Winning a regional gets your name out there as a good competitor for the years game. I'm glad swamp got screwed by penalties all day long on friday or it wouldn't have been possible. =)

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by Karthik

I don't believe that there has ever been a FIRST season where this many teams have won two regionals. (...) I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I think at least two of these teams will make it to the final 12.

It's possible that your 2 out of 12 guess is correct, but don't forget the incredible teams that only had the budget for one regional. The list of double winners would certainly be longer without budget limitations. I think the championships are going to be a lot of fun this year.