YMTC: Redateam Uncrates Redabot on Wednesday

[KenWittlief]

I could see a team who had their robot all done, and to pack it into the crate required taking a few parts or assemblies off

and I would call that task 'crateing the robot'

therefore, applying the reverse logic, putting the parts back together that you only took off to 'crate' the robot could be construed as uncrating it.

Obviously thats not the intention of them allowing teams to go in on wednesday night - the intention is to get the empty crates out of the way when nobody is there, which should in theory allow more actually assembly and repair time thursday morning

So I dont think the answer was obvious - this thread does make the answer clear. Once you have everything out of the crate, you are done.

[dez250]

Originally Posted by KenWittlief

I could see a team who had their robot all done, and to pack it into the crate required taking a few parts or assemblies off

and I would call that task 'crateing the robot'

therefore, applying the reverse logic, putting the parts back together that you only took off to 'crate' the robot could be construed as uncrating it.

And i would call that logic "Lawyerism".

Guys stop trying to find loopholes in the rules and ways around the rules and "being lawyers". On Wednesday you will be allowed to open and empty your crate, register your team and start charging batteries. One point for this is so there will be less congestion of fork lifts and moving crates on Thursday so more people can have their 10'x10' room and set their pit up then. Good luck all teams, and if you think you might be tempted to violate the request of FIRST of not setting your pit up Wednesday night and working on your bot then, wait till Thursday morning to uncrate!

[Kevin Sevcik]

Is there going to be uncrating on Thursday? I know the blast says that wednesday is an additional opportunity, but I don't see any mention anywhere about uncrating on thursday morning, early or no.

[KenWittlief]

Originally Posted by dez250

And i would call that logic "Lawyerism".

Guys stop trying to find loopholes in the rules and ways around the rules and "being lawyers".

ok then, when these YMTC threads come up, we will all just wait for you to tell us the right answer?

isnt that what these YMTC threads are for, to give people an opportunity to discuss the rules and explore both sides of it?

something that is perfectly obvious to you may look the opposite to someone else. We all have different perspectives.

[Don Wright]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

Is there going to be uncrating on Thursday? I know the blast says that wednesday is an additional opportunity, but I don't see any mention anywhere about uncrating on thursday morning, early or no.

There has to be. The announcement was made too late in the season for some teams to change their travel arrangements to get there early Thursday night.

[George]

Hi,
Redabot gets to be a real pain for first.
But "they" bring up a some good questions,
My question is can we bring in tools Wednesday?
(I don,t want to setup the pit or work on the robot)
We are a little out of town and this would be a big help!
I remember the mess last year.(coming and going)
and this year the hotel is 8 blocks(?) away
Have Fun(?)
Geo.

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by George

Hi,
Redabot gets to be a real pain for first.
But "they" bring up a some good questions,
My question is can we bring in tools Wednesday?
(I don,t want to setup the pit or work on the robot)
We are a little out of town and this would be a big help!
I remember the mess last year.(coming and going)
and this year the hotel is 8 blocks(?) away
Have Fun(?)
Geo.

I know teams that walk in with some screwdrivers or a cordless drill to open the crate(and rookie teams that didn't think about needing tools to open the crate), but I don't know about a whole tool chest. I would hazard a guess that it would be ok, for the congestion and saftey reason listed for allowing a limited number early access to uncrate the robot. Thats a kind of iffy thing though.

Wetzel

[Kevin Kolodziej]

It would seem to me that it would be in FIRST's best interest to allow the three people to bring in as much as they can in one shot. In Chicago, we rolled in our tool boxes and parts boxes on our cart in the morning, uncrated the robot, and then sat until the pits officially opened without any trouble at all (if this should not have happened, we will not do that in the future). The only condition was that once you're in, you don't come back out for more. It saves the teams the hassle of trying to get the tools and parts into the pit while everyone else is trying to get in as well. This also reduces safety risks as no one is carrying large and heavy boxes in the middle of a rather dense crowd.

I am not the official word, however, so hopefully we can get an actual answer (I didn't come across a clear cut answer to this question in the other threads - but I am extremely tired these days and may have missed it)!

I also have a followup - what is the reason for not allowing pit setup (i.e. the storage of tools, hanging of banners, erection of displays, or other NON-ROBOT activities, etc.)? I'm not trying to get around the rule or anything like that - just curious about it. Some teams don't have much to setup and therefore can start working as soon as the pits open - should teams that do have an elaborate pit really be "penalized" by having to take time from working on the bot to setup?

There's probably an obvious answer somewhere in there that I'm completely overlooking.

Kev

[Babyhueyhnx]

This year we thought ahead. we packed everything that would possibly fit into our crate we could think of that we needed. all tools, batteries, banners, buttons, band aids......etc. The only down side to this is that our crate weighed 902 Lbs when we shipped it from NJ. So luckily we will only have to bring a screw gun and a credit card with a very large credit limit..

[Nate Edwards]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

There has to be. The announcement was made too late in the season for some teams to change their travel arrangements to get there early Thursday night.

This will probaly be correct, however, the uncrating wednesday night was there I think almost the entire build season as I saw it early on and kinda half ignored it until I opened up the WATSON Challenge Thread and remembered seeing something about it, turns out no one else did and I had to make a new thread refering to the site info that was up on the FIRST site. I think there will have limited Thursday uncrating but they want to, if possible, to have as many teams that are in Atlanta on Wednesday to uncrate in the timeframe 6-9 after playing in the Football game of course.

Nate

[Chris Fultz]

ID: 1837 Section: 7.1 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/29/2005
Q: Are additional details available for the Wednesday 3/20 robot uncrating at the National Compitition; such as, which building (A, B, or C); which entrance, what tool may be carried in: can the teams completely unpack all their stuff

A: Wednesday, 4/20, from 6 pm - 9 pm, 3 team reps will be allowed to enter - Building C, halls 1 and 2. This time may only be used for the purposes of uncrating your robot. The only tools brought in during this time should be those needed for uncrating. Aisles must remain clear so that crates can easily be removed from the pit stations. Teams can unpack once the crates are removed from the pit area.


ID: 1838 Section: 7.1 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/31/2005
Q: Will there be an early entry for 3 team members on Thursday in Atlanta, or is this early entry replaced by the Wednesday night uncrating?

A: Wednesday replaces the Thursday early entry. The pits in Atlanta open for everyone at 8am.

ID: 1839 Section: 7.1 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/31/2005
Q: Will we be allow to bring in and set up the pit area in atlanta on Wednesday evening or just uncrate the robot.

A: Just uncrate your robot.

ID: 1804 Section: 7.5 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/17/2005
Q: During early entry for an event, three members can uncrate the robot but not work on it. Are we permitted to begin charging our batteries prior to the arrival of the rest of the team? Thank you.

A: Yes.


ID: 1830 Section: 7.5.2 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/31/2005
Q: Nationals uncrating will be in the evening. Can we take our display, tools, and materials in at this time and may we set up our display if no work is done to the robot?

A: Uncrating and dropping off only. No setup.

ID: 1847 Section: 7.5.2 Status: Answered Date Answered: 4/6/2005
Q: For the Championships uncrating, to minimize congestion at the elevators on Thursday morning, will we be allowed to bring in our rolling toolboxes during the Wednesday evening crate opening period?

A: The pits are in a new building (at ground level) so no elevators are involved this year. You may bring in your tool boxes Wednesday night or Thursday morning.


My only question to these answers is relative to bringing in tool boxes.
ID 1837 says only tools needed for uncrating the robot may be brought in.
ID 1847 says you may bring in tool boxes Wednesday night or Thursday.

I will ask for a clarification.

Other than that, it is very clear that you are only to uncrate your robot, charge batteries, and then move on.

[Steve W]

Originally Posted by Chris Fultz

ID: 1837 Section: 7.1 Status: Answered Date Answered: 3/29/2005
Q: Are additional details available for the Wednesday 3/20 robot uncrating at the National Compitition; such as, which building (A, B, or C); which entrance, what tool may be carried in: can the teams completely unpack all their stuff

A: Wednesday, 4/20, from 6 pm - 9 pm, 3 team reps will be allowed to enter - Building C, halls 1 and 2. This time may only be used for the purposes of uncrating your robot. The only tools brought in during this time should be those needed for uncrating. Aisles must remain clear so that crates can easily be removed from the pit stations. Teams can unpack once the crates are removed from the pit area.

Chris, I believe that the last answer has precedence. Could you explain the highlighted area for me?

[Chris Fultz]

The highlighted areas were just to emphasize / answer the questions raised throughout the thread based on the FIRST Q & A responses.

Edit, i understand your question now ---

"Teams can unpack once the crates are removed from the pit area."

I assume this means to focus on getting stuff out of the crate and into the pit area quickly so that crates can be moved.

I don't understand the "unpack" part, that seems to contradict all of the other statements.

[RoboMom]

I am beginning to regret that I am working pit admin on Wed. 5:30-9 so everyone can go to the volunteer dinner and orientation. I really don't want to be placed in the role of pit police...

[Wetzel]

Originally Posted by RoboMom

I am beginning to regret that I am working pit admin on Wed. 5:30-9 so everyone can go to the volunteer dinner and orientation. I really don't want to be placed in the role of pit police...

I'll come help. Who needs food?

At any rate, it seems that they want the crates out as fast as possible. The guys moving them will probally only be there for x time and that time is short for what is needed.

Wetzel