YMTC: Bluabot Pushes Red Vision Tetra

[EricH]

Originally Posted by Goldeye

Incorrect. The tetra is not scored because it doesn't satisfy the definition of stacked.


Which is why robots must back away for a tetra to be scored.

bhweezer said that the judges (refs) would not count the tetra as it is considered part of the robot. (Or did you notice that when you quoted him?)

[Goldeye]

Originally Posted by EricH

bhweezer said that the judges (refs) would not count the tetra as it is considered part of the robot. (Or did you notice that when you quoted him?)

I was explaining why the precedent for end of game goal contact doesn't correspond to this situation.

[Rombus]

Well, in one match at buckeye, we had every bot across the line, but one of them had brought a tetra into the end zone. From our viewpoint, it was no longer touching the tetra, it just had its manipulator inside with no contact, We didn't get the points because the judges thought it was touching. So while this situation isn't very GP, blue wins

[Nate Edwards]

We had a sort of related problem at Portland, the pacific northwest regional semis. We lost by 2 points 39-37 in the third match, our alliance partner pulled their 3rd alliance partner out of the endzone wiht about 1 second left and they were no longer in the endzone but still touching the robot on our alliances robot. I never got clarification on exactly what the ruling was but it was definatly a close match like the one described above.

[Kevin Kolodziej]

As has been discussed, the only time a tetra is considered part of a robot is when it is being loaded from the human player. If the robot is holding a tetra and that tetra is touching a stacked tetra (of same color), the stacked tetra still counts because the robot is not directly touching it. As long as no part of the robot is touching the carpet outside the endzone, it is in the endzone, whether or not it is touching anything outside the endzone.

Now if the blue team managed to get the tetra under the red bot so that the red bot is supported by the tetra, which is touching outside the endzone, that is a different story - one that I would say does NOT give the red alliance three bots in the endzone. I suppose one could argue that if the tetra were removed, however, that the red bot would fall into the zone and still be counted. Hmmm...that is a situation that would be a tough call (unless I am completely forgetting about something in the rules!).

Kev

[Steve W]

The tetra is not an extntion of the robot period. Red wins.

[JWhiskers]

During one of our qualification matches at Detroit, the other alliance had all three of their robots behind the line. But one of them was holding a tetra that was touching outside the line. They did not get their 10 points because of that tetra.
If the rules are followed to the letter I believe that the red alliance would lose their ten points

[Goldeye]

Originally Posted by JWhiskers

During one of our qualification matches at Detroit, the other alliance had all three of their robots behind the line. But one of them was holding a tetra that was touching outside the line. They did not get their 10 points because of that tetra.
If the rules are followed to the letter I believe that the red alliance would lose their ten points

I like the idea that a tetra which has been loaded onto the robot is considered an extension of it, especially when the mechanism holding it would fall out of the line. That is, a tetra loaded at a loading station, or lifted intentionally off the ground, is a part of the bot as long as it remains on the bot. Would be nice.

Edit: That'd only be in terms of a any contact the bot makes, though. If the bot is controlling it, then why should it be allowed to make any contact the bot can't. Still, on this idea, you could say the tetra you're trying to score as time runs out is touching the one under it, therefore disqualifying both :/ Another reason contact after it is scored and backed away from shouldn't descore a stacked tetra.