Cheering, standing ovations, and required team actions during matches and awards

[Ryan Dognaux]

Originally Posted by Tiki

To tell you guys the truth, I never cheered for anything. ever.

Post Edit.

Cheering is natural, there is nothing wrong with it. Try it sometime.

[Wetzel]

I know when I'm in the stands with a team, I'll stand and deliver a large amount of noise during introductions, then sit down during the match. If something exciting happens though, I've been known to stand up.

Go to a football game. Most of the time people sit, but when the running back breaks lose and gains major yardage, people stand. I see the running back breaking for the end zone analogous to tetras going slinky.

Wetzel

[Al Skierkiewicz]

When I stand for awards, it is because someone I know has just been presented with a coveted award. Since I apparantly know everyone, I stand for every team that receives an award. Sorry, but that is the way I have done it for almost a decade now. When my team stands with me, my friends receiving their award, have no doubt that I and my team are behind them. If you think I am doing this to be noticed, I am not. I am trying to focus attention on the team, the students and mentors, who are rightfullly receiving the award and who deserve the support of all teams.
If you are behind me when my team plays, you may see me sit down for the match or I may remain standing during the match. Sorry if you are behind me, I will sit down eventually, I am old you know. There is no one I have met in FIRST who intenetionally blocks anothers view of the field. As sure as a robot uses a battery, someone will stand during the competition. Givens do not need solutions.

[b-rant]

Originally Posted by Al Skierkiewicz

There is no one I have met in FIRST who intenetionally blocks anothers view of the field. As sure as a robot uses a battery, someone will stand during the competition. Givens do not need solutions.

beautifully written statement

[Daniel Brim]

Well, what if the person behind you is a FIRST investor. As you've seen, new companies are investing in FIRST (like Caterpillar for example). They invest in what goes is on the field, not the back of your head. Of course, they also invest in the transformation of the youth, but I'm sure they would have a better and more exciting experience (and therefore they are more likely to invest) if they actually see the fields.

Givens need solutions if they are a problem.

-Daniel

[SuperJake]

Originally Posted by DanielBCR

Wel, what if the person behind you is a FIRST investor. As you've seen, new companies are investing in FIRST (like Caterpillar for example). They invest in what goes is on the field, not the back of your head. Of course, they also invest in the transformation of the youth, but I'm sure they would have a better and more exciting experience (and therefore they are more likely to invest) if they actually see the fields.

Givens need solutions if they are a problem.

-Daniel

First off, if someone is thinking about giving money to FIRST, then there is already a FIRST Staffer taking that person around and showing them everything. When they watch the matches, they are in the VIP suites or the VIP seating area.

Secondly, if someone from the public is viewing an event and happen to be sitting behind one of these spirited teams, that team's spirit is going to start effecting the person from the general public. Seeing students really excited about science and engineering is something that FIRST highlights all the time. Now during a match, if the students in front of you start jumping up and down while screaming... well something exciting is happening. That will draw the attention from the person behind you, they will stand up, see the exciting thing, then get all excited also. It is a form of interaction that is inherent in human nature. When excitement is all around you, you tend to get excited, too.

However as the old saying goes: there are exceptions to the rule, as demonstrated in this thread.

[AmyPrib]

Originally Posted by DanielBCR

Wel, what if the person behind you is a FIRST investor. As you've seen, new companies are investing in FIRST (like Caterpillar for example). They invest in what goes is on the field, not the back of your head. Of course, they also invest in the transformation of the youth, but I'm sure they would have a better and more exciting experience (and therefore they are more likely to invest) if they actually see the fields.

Givens need solutions if they are a problem.

-Daniel

At Boilermaker we sectioned off a a few rows right behind the scoring table for "invited guests" , judges, and the like. There was space for about 50 people maybe, and it was always full. This included all the CAT people that were there. They had a pretty unobstructed view of the field. This wouldn't be hard to do at most places if the regionals put that much effort into attracting investors and execs and VIPs. I think those investors would like to see the excitement this brings to the cheering kids, which would make them more likely to invest... Granted, that doesn't mean people can't be polite and sit... it goes both ways...We just all deal with it.

I would think that typically these guests are targeted and invited to attend by teams or the planning committees, so sectioning off a good viewing area for them shouldn't be too hard. If it's arena style, where seating starts above floor level, even easier, since VIPs are probably allowed on ground level.

[Kevin Sevcik]

Since things seem to be getting taken to the extreme in one direction, I present the anecdote of team SuperSpirit. This is a really incredibly spirited team. They fill up several rows all the way across a section of seats right in the middle. They're always standing and cheering during matches and awards no matter who's up there. In fact, they're so enthused that they just can't sit down. They figure standing is a sign of respect, so they can't bear to sit down if Woodie, Dean, or a sponsor is giving a speech, so they basically end up standing during the entire awards ceremony and cheering when appropriate. Surely sponsors, mentors, and teams sitting around and especially behind this team would be completely awed by this show of respect.

Yes, yes, it is an extreme example. I just wanted to use it to illustrate what I feel is the fundamental thing here. For the vast majority here, the above example is rude, and so is the opposite example of a team never standing. The former because it's apparently completely inconsiderate of those around them, and the latter because it's not respectful of the teams, etc. So obviously a balance should be struck between your level of enthusiasm and consideration for people around. This goes both ways, of course. Teams wishing to stand a lot should try to put themselves in a position to not inconvenience a lot of people or should check with everyone around them to see if it's okay. People that don't want to stand should check with teams near where they're planning to sit and see if they're planning on standing a lot. People that don't want to take the time checking with people around them should hedge their bets and be willing to moderate their standing/not-standing activities. Granted, this is a perfect world solution, but thinking a bit about how you'll be affecting the people around you can only help. And finding out how they feel about it instead of assuming you know can help even more.

[Andy Baker]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

Teams wishing to stand a lot should try to put themselves in a position to not inconvenience a lot of people or should check with everyone around them to see if it's okay. People that don't want to stand should check with teams near where they're planning to sit and see if they're planning on standing a lot. People that don't want to take the time checking with people around them should hedge their bets and be willing to moderate their standing/not-standing activities.

Carve it in stone. Frame it. Ship it. This is an excellent solution.

This puts the responsibility on both the sitters and the standers, encouraging friendly communication between these "Hatfields" and "McCoys".

Everyone needs to go up one post and give Kevin some rep points. Obviously, we don't all agree on this issue, but he has proposed a terrific compromise.

Andy B.

[Al Skierkiewicz]

Originally Posted by Kevin Sevcik

They're always standing and cheering during matches and awards no matter who's up there. In fact, they're so enthused that they just can't sit down. They figure standing is a sign of respect, so they can't bear to sit down if Woodie, Dean, or a sponsor is giving a speech, so they basically end up standing during the entire awards ceremony and cheering when appropriate.

The Championship that I attended didn't have one of these teams. Please do not use "what if's" in this kind of discussion. What matters is what happened, and that was small and avoidable. A few people out of 22,000+ should not require a fix or a discussion of a major problem that doesn't exist.
Daniel, givens are things that can't be changed or shouldn't be changed. Given#1. Someone at any FIRST event is going to stand at some point during the time they are in the stands. Given #2. Someone at any FIRST event is going to be so tired that they are going to forget Given #1.

[Brian Lesser]

1. Every team, regardless of what accomplishments they are/aren't recognized for, deserves a standing ovation. I still remember that I gave a standing ovation to team 383 during their rookie year at the Midwest regional because I realized that they not only put the time and effort into building their robot, but also put the time and effort into coming to another country to compete with it. In the end, they won a good number of their matches. This year, they came back better than ever by winning 2nd place at the Midwest Regional.

2. It doesn't conflict in anyway with Gracious Professionalism. Heck, I'm sure Grandmothers would be proud to see their grandchildren showing respect and support for another team, regardless of whether the two teams were opponent's in matches or not.

In my opinion, if you cannot show the respect that any team deserves, whether they are a rookie or not, then I don't see a reason for you to be in this program where, as I said before, Gracious Professionalism is something to be taken very seriously.

[EricH]

I see a lot of talking about what is/is not GP, but has anyone thought of the etiquette angle of things? And, if someone knows what the etiquette in this situation is, could they please inform the rest of us?

[Daniel Brim]

Okay, I understand now Al.

What is boggling me right now is why is sitting and having fun mutually exclusive? Can't people sit down and have a good time and cheer? I don't stand up during events, but I still have a great time. I think that standing in front of someone is a little inconsiderate. There was a standing team in Galileo in the front third of the stands. They took up a whole row and blocked not only those directly behind them, but teams sitting two aisles over. I'd say half of Galileo could not see the finals. Granted, I don't think anybody asked, and I'm sure they would have sat down. So it is kind of my fault. But who knows who was sitting behind them?

Also, people are emphasizing scouts being able to see. Not everybody who's watching matches are scouts. For the people who aren't on pit crew or drive team, this is their purpose for going to events. Why should people who stand ruin it for them?

[Tiki]

Perhaps First should put seat belts on all of the seats at every regional and every championship from now on. jk.

But seriously, what is the big deal about standing up? It doesn't give you any kind of special vantage point or any sort of voice magnifier (like anyone needs one). How about this, some people bring ear plugs and people can cheer as loud as they want with their bodies firmly stuck to the seats, the most standing can do is cause inconvinience for others. Standing should be permitted only in award ceremonies in order for teams to give standing ovations (if theyre needed).

One thing that irks me more than big signs: clappers (i mean those things that you hit together to make noise)
I have no clue whos bright idea it was to bring in those free "thunder sticks" giveaways, but it was sure an annoying addition to the huge mixture of screaming/shrieking that was already going on. Why can't people just clap with their hands, without having to be attention freaks and make louder noises than anyone else. My friend had a pair of those black "thunder sticks", but I promptly put them in the pit, in which case he forgot about them. There was one kid that was sitting a few rows back from me that was hitting an orange and a blue baloon as hard as he could, making a noise so irritaiting, it could be compared to the noise of a nail on a chalkboard. I don't thank after 6 weeks of hard work that I should have to tolerate any annoyances for the purpose of seeing my robot actually do what it was built to do.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Tiki

Perhaps First should put seat belts on all of the seats at every regional and every championship from now on. jk.

But seriously, what is the big deal about standing up? It doesn't give you any kind of special vantage point or any sort of voice magnifier (like anyone needs one). How about this, some people bring ear plugs and people can cheer as loud as they want with their bodies firmly stuck to the seats, the most standing can do is cause inconvinience for others. Standing should be permitted only in award ceremonies in order for teams to give standing ovations (if theyre needed).

One thing that irks me more than big signs: clappers (i mean those things that you hit together to make noise)
I have no clue whos bright idea it was to bring in those free "thunder sticks" giveaways, but it was sure an annoying addition to the huge mixture of screaming/shrieking that was already going on. Why can't people just clap with their hands, without having to be attention freaks and make louder noises than anyone else. My friend had a pair of those black "thunder sticks", but I promptly put them in the pit, in which case he forgot about them. There was one kid that was sitting a few rows back from me that was hitting an orange and a blue baloon as hard as he could, making a noise so irritaiting, it could be compared to the noise of a nail on a chalkboard. I don't thank after 6 weeks of hard work that I should have to tolerate any annoyances for the purpose of seeing my robot actually do what it was built to do.

Oh wow. You're just going through a whole list of pet peeves aren't you?
Will this eventaully lead to engineered bots as a complaint?