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Unread 19-05-2005, 23:26
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Re: XBox 360

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Of the recent Xbox 360 gameplay footage we’ve seen so far, the one major concern has been that of the sometime sluggish framerate. In a recent discussion with a number of Microsoft executives, we managed to learn that all current Xbox 360 games that were shown at last night’s E3 press briefing are still running on alpha development kits that are not a true representation of what we can expect when the console launches this holiday season. Estimations are that the current kits are running at only 25-40% of the maximum power that the Xbox 360 will possess. Beta kits are scheduled to hit developers within the next 2 months and final hardware should arrive in early July. --teamxbox.com
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Re: XBox 360

I think it's important to remember that Sony has unveiled far more information about their hardware architecture than Microsoft has. Saying that PS3 will be faster is premature.

In fact more SPEs, threads per CPU, or CPUs does not indicate that the games will be any better; all it means is developers will have more processing power available to them. To take advantage of this new power developers will have to write their software with multiple software threads. Currently, most games are written to run in a single thread. Games that have been written in two threads for multiple CPU computers have shown a negligible performance gain.

The real problem is not general purpose CPU power. That's why the original Xbox could get away with a 700MHz Celeron. The bottleneck in today's games are the GPUs. The console with the better designed GPU will have the best games.

XBox 360 and Poor Image Quality-
At the E3 trade show Xbox games are not running on console hardware they are being run on Apple Powermac G5s. Image quality will be better when the Xbox is delivered. Link
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The alpha kits are PowerMac G5s running 2.7ghz. The procs are dual, and the graphics card is not as good as the one that is being developed for the 360. Ironic that Microsoft needs Macs to run it's keynote and booth, eh?
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Unread 20-05-2005, 11:13
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The alpha kits are PowerMac G5s running 2.7ghz. The procs are dual, and the graphics card is not as good as the one that is being developed for the 360. Ironic that Microsoft needs Macs to run it's keynote and booth, eh?
NOTE: This is only pure speculation

I believe that there are two main reasons why the demos looked cruddy with the G5

1. There are basically running a 10 year old OS with little modifications to it

2. I think that the GPU isn't even being used, and that all the graphics are being produced by the CPU instead.

Those demo boxes were running a special version of Windows NT for the PPC. These version of Windows NT was shortly discontinued right after NT was announced around 10 years ago. Since its such an old operating system, it probably doesn't take advantage of a lot of the G5's features.

I also believe that the graphics cards are not even being used in these demos (except to draw the image). The video cards in Macs are built only for OpenGL, and not DIRECT X. The DIRECT X then must have been done by the CPUs

But of course nothing runs as well as on the real thing
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Re: XBox 360

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NOTE: This is only pure speculation

I believe that there are two main reasons why the demos looked cruddy with the G5

1. There are basically running a 10 year old OS with little modifications to it

2. I think that the GPU isn't even being used, and that all the graphics are being produced by the CPU instead.

Those demo boxes were running a special version of Windows NT for the PPC. These version of Windows NT was shortly discontinued right after NT was announced around 10 years ago. Since its such an old operating system, it probably doesn't take advantage of a lot of the G5's features.

I also believe that the graphics cards are not even being used in these demos (except to draw the image). The video cards in Macs are built only for OpenGL, and not DIRECT X. The DIRECT X then must have been done by the CPUs

But of course nothing runs as well as on the real thing
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I agree, emulators screw everything up...
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TODAY!!

oh yeah baby! i left here at 2:45, waited in line as the third person. got one of the premium 360's. one of the guys who got a core model comes up to me and goes i will give you $200 for the premium one and I'll give you the core. so basically i have already made $200 off this system. It soon will be up on ebay. wahoo!
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Re: XBox 360

If you have a 360 you can make a killing on ebay right now as they are going for about 1,100 a piece. Going to get mine on Friday for the second shipment and sell it on ebay. just from the profit i could buy a pretty good LCD monitor, some games and accessories.
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If you have a 360 you can make a killing on ebay right now as they are going for about 1,100 a piece. Going to get mine on Friday for the second shipment and sell it on ebay. just from the profit i could buy a pretty good LCD monitor, some games and accessories.
tis correct! i sold my first 360 for $675. i made around 350 profit from that. and i am just on my way out to go pick up another one and that too will go on ebay.

by any chance where will you be going to get this "second shipment" of 360's from? i have heard things of the next shipment being in 06 around February.
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Re: XBox 360

It's almost as profitable as Tickle Me Elmo!

That's crazy, people will pay that much for a gaming system that you can wait a couple of months and pay 1/2 or a 1/3 as much as you bought it for. Or you can go into the store and play them for free!
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Re: XBox 360

Has anyone here had any problems with their Xbox 360? There's been reports of crashing. I just wanted to get a feel for how widespread the problem is.

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honestly, i have no clue about crashing. I have two xbox 360's in my posseion but i can't open them up and play with them sadly. but they are making me a good buck of two. I havent really heard about it anyway.
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Re: XBox 360

I wish I remeber where I heard this rumor, but a store only got 5 360s, but specifically told their employees not to tell anyone in the 200 person and growing line...so only the first 5 people got one. I have to say I wouldda been a little upset. But I think the people who really wanted one would have reserved one...like they would for the release of any other popular item.

On another note...If 360s are going for the much on ebay, imagine the PS3 hype...I definitely might considering buying one or two and just ebaying them.
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Re: XBox 360

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=w...ge=1&t=t&f =b

I found this surfing the net
ehh ill wait a year or two.
Microsoft rushed that thing out. I think Sony is playing it smart taking their time to develop the PS3. I doubt the PS3 will have many problems. I bought a PSP and its running well no problems so far!
Microsoft can do better than this!
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I wish I remeber where I heard this rumor, but a store only got 5 360s, but specifically told their employees not to tell anyone in the 200 person and growing line...so only the first 5 people got one. I have to say I wouldda been a little upset.
The idiot assistant-manager at our local Wal-Mart got small town Elkton, Maryland on the national news. While the crowd of patrons lining up for XBOX 360's were managing themselves (even the prior shift manager was outside talking and joking with them), the assistant-manager of the midnight shift came out and she told the folks that the store would not honor their decorum. She insisted that the line begin in a different location, "first come, first served". Then a melee breaks out as all folks tried to rush to her designated spot. The store has to call in the local police (small department, so county and state police respond as well), because of her poor decision.

The store makes an announcement that they will not be selling the XBOX's after all, and the police make all folks leave. One hour after they leave, the XBOX's are put out on the shelves and sold quickly.

No, I wasn't standing outside waiting for one of these prized units. I was about 4 blocks up on top the hill comfortably watching some old movies on the television.

Elkton is famous for its' Wedding Chapel, and is referred to in many movies from the 30's and 40's. The town slogan is "Memories are made in Elkton". I guess memories were made that night also, but not really very pleasant ones.

Here's the article from our local rag:
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