4.3.4.1 - onboard laser?

[Katie Reynolds]

Originally Posted by Ethulin

If I just tape a laser pointer to my bot that only turns on when I press the button on it is that legal?

Does what you have in mind violate <G11> at all?

<G11> Alignment Devices - Alignment devices (templates, tape measures, lasers, etc.) that are not part of the ROBOT may not be used to assist with positioning the ROBOT. Teams that use external alignment devices to position their ROBOT will have their ROBOT arbitrarily repositioned by the head referee.

If it doesn't violate that, is affixed to the robot with something other than tape, does not have an internal battery, is safe to the eye, won't throw off other robots (by color, frequency, etc) ... then I would say it's alright to have.

In any case, once Q&A is back up, I'd ask FIRST.

[Ethulin]

Originally Posted by Katie Reynolds

Does what you have in mind violate <G11> at all?

<G11> Alignment Devices - Alignment devices (templates, tape measures, lasers, etc.) that are not part of the ROBOT may not be used to assist with positioning the ROBOT. Teams that use external alignment devices to position their ROBOT will have their ROBOT arbitrarily repositioned by the head referee.

If it doesn't violate that, is affixed to the robot with something other than tape, does not have an internal battery, is safe to the eye, won't throw off other robots (by color, frequency, etc) ... then I would say it's alright to have.

In any case, once Q&A is back up, I'd ask FIRST.

Well some one got it I think, their is a battery so no dice.

We have just decided to use a gun scope.

[MikeDubreuil]

Originally Posted by Ethulin

We have just decided to use a gun scope.

If I understand you correctly: you want to use a gun scope to align your robot once you place it on the field before a match; you can't! Rule <G11> explicitly forbids you from using ANY device for aligning your robot at the beginning of the match.

[ebmonon36]

It says that alignment mechanisms that aren't part of the robot are illegal. If it is attached to the robot, then by rule G11 it would be legal.

[MikeDubreuil]

Originally Posted by ebmonon36

It says that alignment mechanisms that aren't part of the robot are illegal. If it is attached to the robot, then by rule G11 it would be legal.

Yes, you are correct: a gun scope is allowed on a FIRST robot per the 2006 Parts Use Flow chart, if the cost of the scope is under $400 and the total cost of non-kit parts are under $3,500.

However, let's not "lawyer" rule <G11>. The intent of rule <G11> is for teams to quickly place their robots on the field without going through elaborate alignment methods. This means not using devices attached or unattached to the robot who's specific purpose is to align the robot. The kit of parts has been supplied with an abundant amount of sensors so that specific robot placement is unnecessary.

I'm not on the game committee, I'm not from FIRST. If you don't buy my answer you can ask FIRST for a clarification and more specifically the intent of rule <G11>.

[Ethulin]

Originally Posted by MikeDubreuil

Yes, you are correct: a gun scope is allowed on a FIRST robot per the 2006 Parts Use Flow chart, if the cost of the scope is under $400 and the total cost of non-kit parts are under $3,500.

However, let's not "lawyer" rule <G11>. The intent of rule <G11> is for teams to quickly place their robots on the field without going through elaborate alignment methods. This means not using devices attached or unattached to the robot who's specific purpose is to align the robot. The kit of parts has been supplied with an abundant amount of sensors so that specific robot placement is unnecessary.

I'm not on the game committee, I'm not from FIRST. If you don't buy my answer you can ask FIRST for a clarification and more specifically the intent of rule <G11>.

Well our analysis of the rules came to the same conclusion as it WOULD be mounted on the bot. We will ask in ask FIRST thoughr