Pros and Cons. Shooting or Rolling

[hpman247]

My team wants to settle for rolling the balls in for one point. I want to use the camera and focus on shooting the balls into the goal, but our backup being the ability to roll the balls.

What is your teams primary obkective and what are you pros and cons for whatever you are deciding to do.

[EricH]

Let's go through this bit by bit.

First off, rolling. Pros: Any bot can do it, provided that said bot can move. Multiple balls at once. Cons: Small balls at least used to have an annoying tendency to send robots to the floor on their backs when someone pushed them. Can be easily blocked. Fewer points per ball.

Second, shooting. Pros: Very hard to block. Could be done semi-automatically. More points per ball. Cons: Hard to aim. Easy to throw off aim. One ball at a time.

Your choice of which to make your primary function (well, involve your team, too.)

[SoccerNerd36]

I would say shooting in the center hoop because an opposing bot could just sit right in front of the corner goals and make you ineffective. Even if you do manage to get some in they're not worth as much and the extra goals probably wouldn't compensate for the fewer points per goal. It is much easier to make a roller but a competitive bot will be able to score in the center goal.

[hpman247]

Originally Posted by EricH

Let's go through this bit by bit.

First off, rolling. Pros: Any bot can do it, provided that said bot can move. Multiple balls at once. Cons: Small balls at least used to have an annoying tendency to send robots to the floor on their backs when someone pushed them. Can be easily blocked. Fewer points per ball.

Second, shooting. Pros: Very hard to block. Could be done semi-automatically. More points per ball. Cons: Hard to aim. Easy to throw off aim. One ball at a time.

Your choice of which to make your primary function (well, involve your team, too.)

Oh of course I will involve my team. I just wish they would involve me. I think that it's too easy with the center goals. Blocking will be amazingly easy and it will be hard to score. But who know, maybe I can make a case to them even though it is abot 10-1 on this.

[Paul H]

Remeber that you have two robots that will be doing everything they can to get you to miss those shots.

[Kelvin Ng]

Perhaps if you demonstrate the accuracy at which balls can be shot, they would be convinced.

You can also point out that scoring in the corner goals will be giving them balls to load for their robots. If your opponents have a strong firing robot, scoring in the corner goals may just give that robot extra ammunition. I agree rolling is not satisfactory for this game. If your team is worried about accuracy, give your robot the ability to recover balls, so the balls you miss may be retrieved =).

[Henry_Mareck]

Remember that for every three you shoot, only one has to go in to match those three sucessfully put in a corner goal. And assuming you can turn your robot, there are a lot more places to shoot from than there are corner goals, harder to block.
And those 2 you miss you can pick back up and shoot again. If all 3 go in the corner, then that are all gone, and belong to the other team. If they bounce off the wall they are free for enyone.

[insub2]

Originally Posted by Kelvin Ng

Perhaps if you demonstrate the accuracy at which balls can be shot, they would be convinced.

You can also point out that scoring in the corner goals will be giving them balls to load for their robots. If your opponents have a strong firing robot, scoring in the corner goals may just give that robot extra ammunition. I agree rolling is not satisfactory for this game. If your team is worried about accuracy, give your robot the ability to recover balls, so the balls you miss may be retrieved =).

they get the balls from the center goal too. it's just that they can at best match the points.

[hpman247]

I really appreciate you guys thoughts. Im not good at thinking pros and cons without conversing with others so i thank you all greatly.

[MrBamboo]

Looking at the arena the balls scored in the center goal are also retrieved by the other team.

Also any balls you miss shooting at the center goal is also free game for the other team to pick up. So those cons for a corner goal robot applies just the same for a shooter.

Originally Posted by hpman247

Oh of course I will involve my team. I just wish they would involve me. I think that it's too easy with the center goals. Blocking will be amazingly easy and it will be hard to score. But who know, maybe I can make a case to them even though it is abot 10-1 on this.

Just wondering but how will it be amazingly easy to block?

[hpman247]

Originally Posted by Cpt_Dave_Lister

Just wondering but how will it be amazingly easy to block?

Im talking about corner goals. Just place your robot in front of it to block balls. Seems pretty easy to me, at least right now.

[663.keith]

Originally Posted by hpman247

Im talking about corner goals. Just place your robot in front of it to block balls. Seems pretty easy to me, at least right now.

yes but that only leaves 1 robot to defend two others who may be shooting. I think that a team that has 3 shooters on it may get a little crowded when all three are trying to aim for the one center goal

[hpman247]

Originally Posted by 663.keith

yes but that only leaves 1 robot to defend two others who may be shooting. I think that a team that has 3 shooters on it may get a little crowded when all three are trying to aim for the one center goal

That's very true. I don't know how a team with 3 shooters wil be functional. They would have to have at least one bot try to score in a corner goal. And I think id take one robot on two for shooting then play a zone defense and defend the goal that the other bot is trying to score.

[EricH]

For blocking the goals, that's easy (assuming 1 or fewer shooters on offense). Park 2 bots in front of the corner goals. If there is more than one shooter, it wouldn't work right.