Defensive Strategies

[Mike Norton]

why a leaf blower just use a air Bazooka works great. just need to make a big one

[blue_crew]

is it alright to position yourself on the ramp and deploy a suction cup mechanism to hold your position there? You wouldn't necessarily be altering the playing field or anything and you could retract them.

[Mike Norton]

Yes you can. I would not worry about holding yourself on top. it will be pretty hard for someone to take you off if you are on top. No robot can grab you so if you stick yourself into one of the corners of the top ramp it would be to hard to move you. I would worry more about getting up without flipping if you are fighting with another robot.


If you go back to stack attack and look at some of the robots you will see they used suction cup but it was harder to try to stay on that ramp.

[blue_crew]

Originally Posted by Mike Norton

it will be pretty hard for someone to take you off if you are on top.

well if another robot gets up the ramp and your robot is sitting right in the middle shooting, they can push you to the side and pin you there until the end of the round if necessary.
you would have to able to shoot from the angle of the corner of the ramp. which would be a tough shot to hit.

[Mike Norton]

I was talking about being on your own ramp.

I would say most people will be able to shoot from the floor. I could only hope someone need to get up the ramp to score. then yes you would want to keep that robot there. robots are points this year

robots would make our lives easy if they do get up on our ramp to score. this way we would not need to push them up there.

[MattB703]

Originally Posted by Mike Norton

robots would make our lives easy if they do get up on our ramp to score. this way we would not need to push them up there.

Careful.

I think you will see robots that go up on your ramp near the end of the match and rapidly disgorge 20-30 balls for 3 points each. At that point we, I mean they, will be happy to give you the 15 points for being on the ramp.

[blue_crew]

I was talking about going on the opposing alliances platform and scoring goals in the center goal. Once on the platform, you would need to hold your position to prevent an opposing alliance's robot from coming up and pinning you to the side. thats where suction cups or wings would be nice to have...

[Barry Bonzack]

Originally Posted by Nimmy

the backbot, on all our strategies collected balls all the time
but we had a few ideas for him
for example have the backbot pile up lots of balls infront of the corner goals
and pick up ALL balls from the field, arranging them according to the teams capabilities, also during the defensive period our HM's will throw balls continusly towards the bot for him to organize the balls

And what would keep another robot on offense to go behind the line with 5 seconds left in the period and either knock away all of the carefully arranged balls or simply scoop them up? It may be better to have a scooper that can spit them out into another robot's scooper... or just score everything it has.



My revision to having the backbot scoop up balls... sure, have your human players throw balls to the backup and have it ready to be scored, but also fill up a robot that is conveniently blocking a goal (assign a robot that has a hopper to do this task). with time remaining in the quarter, have both this robot and the backbot rush to the corner goals before the offensive team has time to block either, and dump all balls in inventory. Consider this like a fast break in basketball. nothing says your defensive robots have to be back there the entire time, you may have a 3 v 1 situation if you wish to catch them offgaurd. This would work especially well if you can tell that the offense is starting to run out of balls but would not be expecting to block a fast break.


One last comment, there is no reason to have to excuse your typos, thats what spell check is for

[Nimmy]

yes we were thinking about this in our simulation
the backbot can shovel all the balls into one corner and guard it, I think it will be pretty hard to shoot or dump balls for other robots, you need precision
and precision needs time
if I see an opposing bot starting to dump balls for an opposing shooter-bot to take
I won't sit and wait for him to do that

if they go back in the last 5 seconds, that 5 seconds I earned of them not shooting
this game is really hard to predict I think, much harder then last years

(hey I spell checked just now... it's easy =)

[Arkorobotics]

Originally Posted by Cathen1

a strategy to consider goes along with collecting all the balls, but you dont necessarily have to score them. Because once u do, the balls are then available for the other team to score, and if u scored one-pointers, they could use those to make three-pointers. You could just collect the balls and not score them, just hold on to them, if you have a decent lead, because for every ball that you have, that is one less ball for the other team to score.

Just on the idea of collecting balls..

This might be a cool way of collecting.

[pyroslev]

A few of my pals were shooting the breeze...when it hit us: a wall bot for the ramp. Provided a robot, that is a wide fronted bot and has SERIOUS traction, can get one (two on a good day) robots on the platform and hold them there for a good period of time, you could make it a 2 on 1 match.

Reality: Possible but not likely to be a big thing...unless some team can master it.

Just an idea from the 2003 616 Robot "Wings."

[Nimmy]

you have a width limit so I don't really see how you can block 2 bots within those constraints (?) also remember that if you get them up your on a slope going down
on that metalic surface, would be easier to push you, and if you are waiting on the buttom rug area then they have that entire slow to gather speed to push you down
that's some SERIOUS traction, possibly to much as it will destroy the carpet?
I would love to see it play out though...

[Safarley2901]

Originally Posted by Henry_Mareck

We had the idea of attaching a large CIM to a fan blade and trying to blow the ball away from their trajectory. Yeah, like thats gonna happen. We also had the "idea" of attaching all 15 available motors ( i think there are 15 ) to a fan, and just floating around the field.

We tried it doesn't work. The blowing ball thing. We tried

[waialua359]

Originally Posted by i_am_Doug

Where in the world will you get land mines? Beside your backyard.

But anywho, i think you have the general idea. block the two corners and blocking the shooters gonna be hard. Well you could like when he sets up to shoot you could "nudge" him off course.

~Doug

Remember us, your teammates at LV regional?
We also go to Wilsonville every year to go to bullwinkle. We race at the PIR every memorial day weekend. Our robotics team also does an Electric vehicle race. All the way from Hawaii!!

[Mr. Freeman]

Originally Posted by EricH

As the rule is written, you can pin any robot for any length of time on the platform as long as one or both robots is not touching the carpet. Though I would like to see someone pin a robot on the ramp during auto mode.

Could someone please post which rule states this?

Also, I wonder how effective shooting a ball at the plexiglass window in front of the opponent drivers would be. Might be enough to distract them quite well.

You'd also waste a lot of balls doing this though.