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Re: scoting program

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I like a lot of that, but step 1 I think is a bit lacking. Look at what the goal of your scouting is. If the goal is just to pick alliance partners then the above is fine. If it is to do match prediction then picking what you want to record really does not cut it. We will be recording every thing that happens in the match using STAMP (stampscouting.org) and video taping every match for review later.
I have been watching what STAMP is working on with great interest and it sounds like it will be a great advancement in scouting. My only concern has been if there will be someone at each regional that has the ability to host the application. I know that our team does not have that ability. In light of that, I have developed a stand-alone MS Access based scouting program. I am still in the development stages, but it has about 80% of the functionality that I want. I would be happy to share this application with anyone who would like a copy of it. If you are an Access programmer (I am not - I'm just a hack!) and would like to improve it and release a copy to others, that would be great!

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Re: scoting program

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I have been watching what STAMP is working on with great interest and it sounds like it will be a great advancement in scouting. My only concern has been if there will be someone at each regional that has the ability to host the application. I know that our team does not have that ability. In light of that, I have developed a stand-alone MS Access based scouting program. I am still in the development stages, but it has about 80% of the functionality that I want. I would be happy to share this application with anyone who would like a copy of it. If you are an Access programmer (I am not - I'm just a hack!) and would like to improve it and release a copy to others, that would be great!

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You see, it is just as easy to host STAMP as it will be to host an MS Access based app. The reason is all you need is a laptop! You just install XAMPP ( http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html ). It comes pre-outfitted with an HTTP server, PHP, mySQL and even phpmyadmin!

STAMP will be finishing up the final touches during the beginning of next week and release this coming Wednesday!
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Re: scoting program

May I please make a very polite notice to the people who plan to host scouting programs?

I think your efforts are very good, and having done this in the past, I would just like to give you heads up to some of the difficulties you might face, whether you're the organizer of the program or you're just hosting it on your computer.

1) Internet access can be very difficult to get. At some highly wired regionals, such as BMR, it's easy to find, but in ATL it can be harder. Last year there was a nice area for wireless, but they didn't start letting people go into it for scouting (by the VEX) until later in the competition for some reason. I know some regionals had problems with that last year, though I don't know which one.

2) Data entry and collection does take a LOT of personnel, and they should understand very well what is expected of them. I love scouting, but it is not always an easy thing. There is a full-regional commitment. Sometimes one group or another gets ahead on the papers and the other group falls behind, so make sure everybody knows their responsibilities.

3) Decide whether or not you plan to broadcast your data to other teams as a service. Keep in mind that if you do this, your program must allow you to make certain things private. I'm of the opinion that while sharing is awesome, the purpose of scouting is for the success of your team, so you should be able to make notes that say "Team (insert team here) is probably not compatible with our strategy" as private notes. I don't encourage typing nasty things in these notes, because many people do see them if they're helping you with data entry, but the ability to keep some notes private is good.

4) Good luck! :-D Scouting is hard work, but it's awesome fun.
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Re: scoting program

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4) Good luck! :-D Scouting is hard work, but it's awesome fun.
You are absolutely correct, scouting is hard work, and it is the responsibility of the entire team. Getting everyone to realize that good scouting data can make or break a team is important. Last year we won matches, that we would not have won, because of good scouting data. But it is not just having the data, but knowing - in advance - what you are going to do with that data is the crucial step. This year's competition is going to be like a giant chess match. You better know what all the pieces can do!

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You see, it is just as easy to host STAMP as it will be to host an MS Access based app. The reason is all you need is a laptop! You just install XAMPP ( http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html ). It comes pre-outfitted with an HTTP server, PHP, mySQL and even phpmyadmin!

STAMP will be finishing up the final touches during the beginning of next week and release this coming Wednesday!
How will users then sync up to the master database? Do you have to have internet access during the matches - does the host laptop have to be able to broadcast to others during the match? I assume that there does have to be some level of connection to the internet. Last year at the Granite State - BAE competition in Manchester, NH the internet connection was sporadic at best.

I will go ahead and set up my laptop with the apache server and look forward to seeing how it works on Wednesday!
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How will users then sync up to the master database?
If by "Master Database" you mean the server YOU have created the answer is as many as you want. It could be 1 laptop or 6 laptops.
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does the host laptop have to be able to broadcast to others during the match?
Hm. I am not really sure what you mean here. If you mean does it have to remain on the wifi then theoretically no, it only needs to be on when you load the scouting page and when you input data but it would be crazy to turn it off... I have a feeling I am getting this question wronge so please clarify.
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I assume that there does have to be some level of connection to the internet.
No! All you will need to do is download the zip file PRIOR to the regional and you will be off and running, no internet connection needed at the regional.
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Hm. I am not really sure what you mean here. If you mean does it have to remain on the wifi then theoretically no, it only needs to be on when you load the scouting page and when you input data but it would be crazy to turn it off... I have a feeling I am getting this question wronge so please clarify.
Okay, I think I got it now. I was under the assumption that the host would need to have it broadcasting to all teams, with a hook-up to the internet - accessing a master database. I look forward to seeing the demo this week!
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Re: scouting program

At UCF and Atlanta, SPAM will be running an open WIFI connection in the pit (maybe) and the stands with STAMP running. At the end of the day, the data will be uploaded to our website (spamrobotics.com) so any team can get the data we have from any internet connection.

At least that's the plan anyway...
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