2006 Championships FF Invitational League

[Corey Balint]

Personally, i feel that Chairmans and WFA shouldnt be that high a point score. I think the name of the game should be the teams that are winning the matches, id knock down the point scores of Chairmans to about 15 and WFA to about 5.

[Levin571]

In the words of Alex Cormier "first is about charimans not winning the comp"

[Corey Balint]

But, Fantasy FIRST is about winning.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Personally, i feel that Chairmans and WFA shouldnt be that high a point score. I think the name of the game should be the teams that are winning the matches, id knock down the point scores of Chairmans to about 15 and WFA to about 5.

are you saying make them 15 and 5 or take off 15,5 points?

[Corey Balint]

Make them that low.

[Alex Cormier]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Make them that low.

are you going to even join this league?

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Make them that low.

I think it's important to keep FIRST's most important award as the top point getter.
It's help reinforce that the Chairman's award, Engineering Inspiration and Woodie Flowers award are actually important and FIRST is about more than just the robots.
It really is up to us to stand up for these principles so when we sell it to the general public we're not just feeding them some line because if we don't believe it, why should they?

[Corey Balint]

Yeah Alex I guess i am in.

Again though, it is a fantasy league. Fantasy leagues are based on the principle of pure statistics, not involving awards or anything of the like. I obviously do respect the awards and stand up for their principles, but this is a league run by only highly involved FIRST'ers, not the general public. We know what these awards mean enough to respect them.

[Jeff Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Again though, it is a fantasy league. Fantasy leagues are based on the principle of pure statistics, not involving awards or anything of the like. I obviously do respect the awards and stand up for their principles, but this is a league run by only highly involved FIRST'ers, not the general public.

Originally Posted by Koko Ed

I think it's important to keep FIRST's most important award as the top point getter.
It's help reinforce that the Chairman's award, Engineering Inspiration and Woodie Flowers award are actually important and FIRST is about more than just the robots.
It really is up to us to stand up for these principles so when we sell it to the general public we're not just feeding them some line because if we don't believe it, why should they?

I understand both sides of the argument. They both have their valid points.
I'm going to side with Corey though.
Do football fantasy leagues give bonus points for winning MVP or rookie of the year?
Fantasy leagues are based on performance and statistics.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

Yeah Alex I guess i am in.

Again though, it is a fantasy league. Fantasy leagues are based on the principle of pure statistics, not involving awards or anything of the like. I obviously do respect the awards and stand up for their principles, but this is a league run by only highly involved FIRST'ers, not the general public. We know what these awards mean enough to respect them.

Yeah but there is no more pure statistic than who won what and you should be rewarded as such (this is why I always aim for Chairman's award favs and not HOF teams because they are excluded from those points).

[Corey Balint]

The major arguement in any fantasy sport is "Should Awards be rewarded?"

It's obviously no different here. The major point is that the awards that are given out, are based off a group of peoples thoughts and opinions. Not how the player performs, which is the basis of any Fantasy League.

Simply put, with the outside interferences (judges), the league strays away from the performence of the team on the field.

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

The major arguement in any fantasy sport is "Should Awards be rewarded?"

It's obviously no different here. The major point is that the awards that are given out, are based off a group of peoples thoughts and opinions. Not how the player performs, which is the basis of any Fantasy League.

Simply put, with the outside interferences (judges), the league strays away from the performence of the team on the field.

This is true--in most sports, winning the big one is the pinnacle of a team's season. And performance in the areas that count the most get rewarded the most.

In FIRST, however, the areas that count are different. The big one has, for fifteen straight seasons, had absolutely nothing to do with performance on the field. Our Lombardi Trophy, our Stanley Cup, is a clock that goes to the best team in the event at what really counts--changing the culture. To score the league any other way would be, with all apologies to the non-wrestling fans, akin to putting the Intercontinental Championship ahead of the WWE Championship.

[Alex Cormier]

The List So Far:
1. Alex Cormier
2. Billfred
3. Ed Patterson
4. Alex Pelan
5. Dan Swando
6. Lisa Perez
7. Steve Howland
8. T. Hoffman
9. Jeff Rodriguez
10. Arefin Bari
11. Conor Ryan
12. Levin
13. Corey Balint
14.Cory
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17-20 the new "elites of the FF leagues"

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by Billfred

This is true--in most sports, winning the big one is the pinnacle of a team's season. And performance in the areas that count the most get rewarded the most.

In FIRST, however, the areas that count are different. The big one has, for fifteen straight seasons, had absolutely nothing to do with performance on the field. Our Lombardi Trophy, our Stanley Cup, is a clock that goes to the best team in the event at what really counts--changing the culture. To score the league any other way would be, with all apologies to the non-wrestling fans, akin to putting the Intercontinental Championship ahead of the WWE Championship.

Just so i dont get flamed about it, its not like i dont like the chairman's award. But i think it serves little to no part in the league. Fantasy Leagues should be about performence on the field, not off.

[Corey Balint]

Any decision or other opinions on the topic?