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Re: [moderated] pic: The 2006 NiagaraFIRST Triplets!

I can see the advantages to making multiple robots. Personally, the part that always takes the longest time in robotics for my team is actual fabrication. As someone who machines this stuff, I know that it is easier to make 3 of the same part than 3 of a different part. In fact, it is just about the same to mill 10 plates instead of 3. This of course is a big advantage for the teams. Things get machined MUCH faster, and there is more time to troubleshoot and practice.

Isn't that the point? Most students can't fabricate on mills and lathes anyway. Why not use collaboration to speed up the fabrication process, and give the students proper time to make their robot? My team has ALWAYS rushed after all the parts were made, and we usually only have two or so days to program and practice. We dont have a dozen machine shops, we have one, and we're really pushing the limit sometimes on timeline. I see it as a very logical thing for teams to get together and design and build parts that are the same.

The only part that interests me however, is how the three teams managed to get together and design one robot, without arguing each other to death. It was hard enough to chose a final design for my team, took a solid two days of debating (and I mean solid, we went at it for like 14 hours straight one saturday...). I mean sure, teams can easily have the same frames and drive trains, because those are pretty standard. But how could multiple teams ever agree on how the manipulator should be done? If you think about it, lets say there are 30 people from each team, and a few mentors from each team. Three teams means 100 people, all agreeing on the same design. I'm sure it was quite a challenge. That is one of the big disadvantages I see in collaboration, just the delay you get from debating.

So my question to the three teams of NiagaraFIRST is: how exactly did you get everyone to agree on the same design? How was it organized, how long it took, etc. Details I guess. I dont know, if you put 100 of me in a room and tried to make me (us) agree, it would never happen. But hey, thats just me.

Otherwise...
The robots look very good. It is always great to see a group of people actually work together to create an awesome, well thought-out product.

A random question:
Have two (or more) teams ever worked together to make two robots that compliment each other? For example, in 2003, teams could have worked together and had a robot that focused on stacking, and a robot that focused on hoarding bins. In this game you could have gotten creative, and made one robot that collected and stored balls and fed them to a second, shooting bot. It would be very interesting to see that in competition...

Good luck to the NiagaraFIRST teams, I'm sure you guys will rock!
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