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Question on 3pt Scoring
What is the ruling on a ball that goes into the 3pt hoop, hits the chains and bounces out?
I am sorry that I have not been following the rules. I have seen it happen on the VCU webcast and I wonder what the rule is and whether the rule is being enforced well. Thanks, Joe J. |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
The ball has to travel down the chute to score since that is where the scoring counter is. So if a ball bounces out...it doesn't count.
see rule G05 Last edited by Collin Fultz : 04-03-2006 at 11:53. Reason: exact rule |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
Also though, as long as the balls stay inside the center goal (let's say they get jammed, whatever), they will still be counted.
If it bounces out for whatever reason, it won't be counted. |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
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FIRST swore the chains wouldn't rebound the balls...but they were mistaken. --Petey |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
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Do you happen to have the match numbers? |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
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I doubt they're shooting at an excessive (re: significantly more than 12 fps) speed. Sometimes they were shot too lightly to push the chains apart, it seemed. --Petey |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
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(As a side note, at our test area, we didn't worry about bouncing out. There was a substantial brick wall about two feet behind the opening, so if you didn't hit it just right, the ball would always come flying out. We worried more about ceiling beams.) |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
While watching the web cast, I noticed that balls bounced back out when shooting hard AND soft - seems kind of weird to have a 12 m/s exit velocity if that velocity doesn't match the acceptable entry velocity (upper and lower limits)
I was really surprised by this issue, and it looked like the chains were closed loops in the video - for some reason I had pictured individual strands of chain. Anyways - here is an interesting item to consider. According to the detailed drawing (link shown below), the chain frame is not symetrical, if assembled incorrectly (back towards the front, instead of front towards the front), the chains would have been closer to the opening than specified - I hope someone checked that because it could account for the balls bouncing out easier at one regional than at the others. http://www2.usfirst.org/2006comp/Dra...STALLATION.pdf |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
I was back-up ball counter on the blue goal at VCU:
Balls were only scored if they stayed in the goal. We had a PVC pipe to prod the balls if they got stuck so they would go down the tube into the trashcan. One thing I saw was that if teams shot the balls too fast, the first ball would be stopped by the chains but the 2nd ball would hit the 1st and bounce out. It also seemed like balls shot from an angle stayed in the goal more than balls that were shot straight at the chains. |
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Re: Question on 3pt Scoring
It might help if FIRST shortens the chains a little. That would reduce the number of balls bouncing out. Or lighten the chains. Plastic chains would probably work a lot better.
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