2006 UTC New England Regional!

[nightrenegade00]

Originally Posted by jjdebner

In QF match 4-2 there was a penalty that was not recorded on the screen when the score was shown

The score was:
181's 35 and 195's 36 with a 10 point penalty making it 26
The penalty was on 236 for "excessive ramming in user control mode"

in the match before
236 got an almost identical pentaly they got 5 point penalty for ramming in auto mode.

The first penalty showed on the score board, but the second one didn't. 195 alliance would have won both matches had there been no penalties. Guess we need to be a little more gentle


btw: 195 presentation of UTC regional http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdebner...7594080430030/

I still dont know...they had not announced a penalty at all though as they did in qualifying match 4-1...im still a little confused...and the point about the penalty getting called during qualifications is definately tru...we had discussed the issue at our stradegy session before the eliminations...there was no worry about such ramming calls because they werent called in qualifications. if they had been called during qualifications then we wouldnt have used it in our stradegy. from what i get out of the whole situation with scoring and penalties is that it was disorganized. if you arent going to call a penalty, dont call it. if ur gonna call a penalty, call it all the time. the scoring wasnt working properly all weekend...to fix this there should have been people specifically watching the goals...and only watching the goals...3 people per side...they would then add everything together per side...then bring it to the refs and add in any necessary deductions for penalties. from what i saw as human player...the ref would count...but the ref is also watching the game for penalties. im sry if anything offends anyone i just need to vent a little bit because speculations and confusion should be cleared up

[Pat Fairbank]

Originally Posted by nightrenegade00

the scoring wasnt working properly all weekend...to fix this there should have been people specifically watching the goals...and only watching the goals...3 people per side...they would then add everything together per side...then bring it to the refs and add in any necessary deductions for penalties. from what i saw as human player...the ref would count...but the ref is also watching the game for penalties. im sry if anything offends anyone i just need to vent a little bit because speculations and confusion should be cleared up

I can clear up some of the speculations and confusion right now, speaking as a volunteer who was involved in the goings-on at the scoring table.

True, the counting system from National Instruments was not working properly all the time. That's why the data it generated was used only for the real-time display. There were three people per side (from the field-reset crew, not the refs) watching the goals and armed with mechanical clicker-counters. They reported to the referees at the end of the match, and the head referee wrote down the scores, added information about penalties and DQs, and handed the sheet to the scorekeeper, who then entered the data into the system.

[aztec21]

Congrat's to all of the teams that competed in this regional particularly team's 176 177 1124. The match between you and gale forces team was the best one of the tournament. WHAT A MATCH!!

[aztec21]

wel wthere or not there were problems with scoring the match between 176 177 1124 and 126 20 571 was by far the best match in the regional congrats to 176 177 1124

[seg9585]

I was a little curious about one of the final scores that my team recieved in the final seeding round on Friday -- my team alone got 8 balls in the lower goal in autonomous and then won autonomous, and later in the offensive period deposited an additional 9 balls into the lower goal (dont remember what the rest of my alliance did). My bot got to the top of the ramp (only one), and we incurred an offsides 5-point penalty. Final score for our team was 9. Seems to me we shoulda had 8+10+9 = 27 at the minimum (I watched a video replay to confirm this)

but eh, its ok we had fun anyway, almost as fun as if someone picked us (team 1493) for the elimination match (we were reserves)

[nightrenegade00]

Originally Posted by Pat Fairbank

I can clear up some of the speculations and confusion right now, speaking as a volunteer who was involved in the goings-on at the scoring table.

True, the counting system from National Instruments was not working properly all the time. That's why the data it generated was used only for the real-time display. There were three people per side (from the field-reset crew, not the refs) watching the goals and armed with mechanical clicker-counters. They reported to the referees at the end of the match, and the head referee wrote down the scores, added information about penalties and DQs, and handed the sheet to the scorekeeper, who then entered the data into the system.

Thanks...i hope it will be better with less confusion about scoring in future regionals and at championships

[peaseonearth]

Originally Posted by aztec21

wel wthere or not there were problems with scoring the match between 176 177 1124 and 126 20 571 was by far the best match in the regional congrats to 176 177 1124

Thanks! They were amazing matches. In my mind both alliances deserved to win. Hope all the teams do just as well at Atlanta!

[Dan9874123]

Originally Posted by BoyWithCape195

I find it interesting that during all the qualification rounds, 236 played the same way as they did in the elimination rounds but in the elimination rounds they got called for it. For example, their auto mode that was used against us in the qualification matches; they were not penalized. If a team is not called on something during the entire event, how are they supposed to know that a penalty would be a result of it come time for eliminations?

Thats entirely true, I dont know how the judges could have called a 10 point penalty, we didn't back up and ram anyone, we were pushing people around, which is entirely legal.

[Matt Starkey]

Yes, it too bad that the Ticks got called on penalties in the finals for play that we felt was consistent with the way we played matches in the qualifying rounds. What we all have to remember is that these penalty calls are up to the discretion of the referees and we all have to respect their calls. Both matches were tough and both aliances played well. I hope our aliance partners understand and don't feel like we let them down. Sometimes the calls just don't go your way!

Nice job to both aliances in those two exciting QF matches!

Matt

[nobrakes8]

Originally Posted by seg9585

I was a little curious about one of the final scores that my team recieved in the final seeding round on Friday -- my team alone got 8 balls in the lower goal in autonomous and then won autonomous, and later in the offensive period deposited an additional 9 balls into the lower goal (dont remember what the rest of my alliance did). My bot got to the top of the ramp (only one), and we incurred an offsides 5-point penalty. Final score for our team was 9. Seems to me we shoulda had 8+10+9 = 27 at the minimum (I watched a video replay to confirm this)

but eh, its ok we had fun anyway, almost as fun as if someone picked us (team 1493) for the elimination match (we were reserves)

I was one of the score keepers at the goals.. it seems odd about that score being so far off, however, I did see a few teams scoreing when their light was inactive, and they clearly didn't know because they emptied their whole hopper into the goal ( i believe two teams did this, I'm not sure exactly which).. The problem I had with counting is that sometimes teams would come in with like 12 or 13 balls and the other alliance would just start grabbing balls and throwing right away, so if like 7 or 8 balls were dummped within 2 seconds of eachother we had to use our best judgement..

I can speak specifically about your team and say confidently that I counted every one of your balls when your machine was at my goal.. Your machine only spit out 2-3-4 at a time, so if somebody did screw up I'm sorry to hear that

During auto mode it wasn't so much the case because after working with the robots all day thursday and friday we pretty much knew that team XXX uses 5 balls, team XXXX uses 7, etc.. so we knew what to expect from most of the teams.

Another issue I saw is that some of the rookies and 2nd year teams (I was really impressed with the rookies this year) were throwing balls in their goals when their light was inactive, so at nationals or future compeitions make sure your drive team understands when to try and score.. Also I think 237 or 126 was throwing balls at their back bot to suck up, and I found it kind of humorous that in one match they probably threw 4 or 5 balls into my goal unintentionally.

We did the best job we could out there, and unfortunatly we have human limits.. The refs don't catch every penalty, inspectors don't catch every issue, and this year the score keepers won't catch every single ball.. It sucks, but I'm affilated with team 1071 and they lost two matches by 1pt so I understand the point of view from the teams and hopefully if anything the teams understand and respect that there will be human error for this year's game.