2006 Silicon Valley Regional

[TyffaneeSue]

Originally Posted by Bill Gold

At the risk of derailing this thread completely…


This website is private and may censor posts as moderators in agreement choose.

I understand. That's not the question. The question is whether the forum values debate and discussion of issues that may sometimes be unpleasant. And I guess I am finding out the answer to that.

This whole topic (GRT last season) has been stricken from ChiefDelphi before and I wouldn't be surprised if your posts were deleted.

Wow. Read 1984 lately? Revisionism lives!

There is no such thing as a Comeback Team of the Year Award. That's something you should take up with FIRST. It kind of sounds like an "Overcoming Obstacles" Award, though, and I don't really think that you'd want to think of yourself as an obstacle for a robotics team now would you?

I happen to think it's quite noble to overcome obstacles. That may be a concept foreign (and unpalatable) to many of the overprivileged in this valley.

Especially since leading to the prevention of students being able to participate in this program also doesn't seem to be in the spirit of FIRST

??? When did I say that? The main factor preventing student participation is the heavy $$$ required (see aforementioned comment on overprivilege).

I’m very disappointed that there are forum trolls here who would sit back behind completely indistinguishable forum names and blast a team without fear of scrutiny. Out of curiosity which disgruntled student or parent are you?

Does the term ad hominem mean anything to you? I'd much rather discuss the issue than try to fend off a personal attack! Also, am not sure I'd characterize myself as "disgruntled." "Offended" might be a better adjective. (Plus I find it interesting that Gunn already had reservations in Atlanta as of yesterday.) Suffice to say that I'm fortunate to have grown up in an era when freedom of speech was highly valued. I find political correctness to be a dreary and regressive concept, plus it's hard to continue to grow and improve if the only feedback you ever receive is an inane "good job!"

[Madison]

Originally Posted by TyffaneeSue

Wow. Read 1984 lately? Revisionism lives!

My understanding has been that, because what happened on team 192 involved legal action, the nice folks who give us ChiefDelphi.com have decided that it is in the best interest of this community and their team to abstain from and prohibit any explicit discussion of those events. I can't speak on their behalf, but that seems a wise choice to me.

As such, we've been asked to cast a critical eye on discussion about Gunn and to, at our discretion, somehow alter or remove content which may place ChiefDelphi in an unsolicited and unwarranted position of involvement with these matters.

[Joobacca]

I would prefer to abstain from entering the conversation, but I would like to add that no matter how much freedom one should have to speak their mind, it's never nice to talk down to a team who persevered and came back to FIRST with a stronger and more spiritual attitude than ever before. We didn't win because of last year; we won because we've worked so hard to accomplish what was once started years ago.

Thanks to all the teams who went to the Silicon Valley Regional 2006, it was an awesome 3 days for me and hopefully we will see you at the Championship in Atlanta.

-Co Driver, Team 192, Gunn Robotics Team

[Mike Hendricks]

Originally Posted by Joobacca

I would prefer to abstain from entering the conversation, but I would like to add that no matter how much freedom one should have to speak their mind, it's never nice to talk down to a team who persevered and came back to FIRST with a stronger and more spiritual attitude than ever before. We didn't win because of last year; we won because we've worked so hard to accomplish what was once started years ago.

Thank you for saying that; While I don't know all the "legal" issues that the team had, I think its extremely safe to say that the Chairmans Award is taken VERY seriously. Not only by the teams, but by FIRST and the Judges as well. With that said, I have a hard time believing that FIRST would give a team the Chairmans that didn't deserve it.

And personally, It's not really in the spirit of FIRST to go off and say that a team received an award that they didn't deserve. I'm sure it has happened before, and it'll happen again, but my feeling of the matter is - If you felt they deserved it, congratulate them. If they didn't deserve it, but won it anyways, try to figure out ways to improve on your own team, so you'll have a better chance at it next year.

With that being said, any Chairmans award winner is worthy of a congratulations from me. Congratulations 192, Chairmans is something to be proud of. With any luck, we'll see you in Atlanta next month.