2006 SBPLI Long Island Regional

[Spindash54]

Hey everyone. 1468 here to clear up what happened in the finals.

By Match 3 it was tied up 1-1 each. That round ended in a tie wich led to Match 4.

When Match 4 began the Blue Alliance dumped 10 balls in the goal and the Red Alliance shot 2 balls in the upper goal. However, even though Blue won autonomous, the computer gave the Auto. win to Red. Because of that, it went to Match 5, which Blue lost.

On a side note, during Match 4 Hauppauge's robot went through the lower goal. Unfortunatley, we didn't realize about calling it until after we called the autonomous error and started Match 5. If we called the lower goal immediatley, we could've DQ'ed the entire Red Alliance and won.

And on another side note, if anyone noticed, during the semi-finals, we switched our human player. I was the original human player, but right before Match 2 of the semi-finals, I sprained my back loading 329's robot with balls, and had to subtittute with one of our mechanics. Not that I'm complaining, but he threw with the light off, which may be one reason why we tied in Match 3 of the finals.

To all teams going to Georgia, good luck, god speed, and have fun representing Long Island.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Spindash54

On a side note, during Match 4 Hauppauge's robot went through the lower goal. Unfortunatley, we didn't realize about calling it until after we called the autonomous error and started Match 5. If we called the lower goal immediatley, we could've DQ'ed the entire Red Alliance and won.

How were you in any position to disqualify the opposing alliance?

[Spindash54]

We saw that Hauppauge's robot had passed through the bottom goal during Match 4 by more than 3 inches.

<G21> ROBOT Incursion into the Corner Goal – Robots should not enter the corner goals. Incidental incursion into the corner goal that occurs as a result of a ROBOT pushing balls into the goal is permitted, not to exceed a distance of approximately 3 inches. The 3 inches does not include the deflection of the goal panel or structure. Intentional incursion, for example to use a ball gathering mechanism to drop off balls inside the goal, or extending a portion of the ROBOT through the goal opening to activate the ball counting system, will result in disqualification of the offending ROBOT. Any incursion substantially beyond 3 inches, particularly if the robot extends over the lighted scoring system panel, will beconsidered intentional incursion.

And I appologize if I'm incorrect about any of this as I was on the sidelines injured, but I beleive that during the finals an incursion such as this is disqualification for either the alliance or just the one robot. Again, I'm sorry if I'm trying to be nasty about this. We give all our support to Hauppauge and the other Red Alliance teams, but this is just one little quirk that could've been said, but didn't. Regardless, congrats to the entire Red alliance for their victory.

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Spindash54

We saw that Hauppauge's robot had passed through the bottom goal during Match 4 by more than 3 inches.

Irrespective of what you saw, your team is no position to disqualify another alliance. I guess I just misunderstood your intent to point out the potential rule infraction to the referees who would then, y'know, do their job.

[Spindash54]

Originally Posted by M. Krass

Irrespective of what you saw, your team is no position to disqualify another alliance. I guess I just misunderstood your intent to point out the potential rule infraction to the referees who would then, y'know, do their job.

S'alright. I'm probably missing some piece of this puzzle since I was injured, but yeah, we did try to bring this to the refferees' attention to have something done, but at that point the Autonomous problem was all that they were focusing on, which led to Match 5.

[Brian C]

I believe that Greg was actually trying to allude to the goal incursion issue. I know (from personal experience with him) that he realizes that a team cannot call a DQ on their opponents. Any and all penalties given are done by the referees and the ref's at the SBPLI regional did quite a good job. There were a minimum of issues with the officiating. I feel that they did a good job despite being put in some tenous positions as a result of circumstances.

The main problems revolved around the field, scoring and seeding programs throughout the weekend. There were endless issues with qualifying match scheduling, lack of (read NO) seeding information until, literally 5 min before alliance selection and more "re-do's" than I have ever seen at any regional. Not to mention the fact that the top 8 seeds had to be "adjusted" after alliance selections had begun because a qualifying match had not been included in the original scoring tally and a team that should have been in the top 8 had been left out. Thankfully it did not affect the teams that had already selected but it did cause quite a bit of confusion at the event as virtually everyone including the selecting alliances were unaware of what was happening.

That being said......

Greg's team had a tremendous day establishing a new high water mark for the 1468 J-Birds and I know he's a trifle bit dissapointed at not winning a regional. However being a regional finalist is something to be content with for now as well as an incentive to bring your team's involvement and dedication up to the next level for the future.

The alliance of team 358, 271 & 870 did very, very well and they definitely knew that their opposing alliance of 1468, 353, 329 was there making them earn it all the way.

While I am not personally familiar with the folks on 870 I do know that they are unique in this locale for the community support they have been able to cultivate. I can tell you that Scott and Marc on 358 are excellent mentors and 358 should be proud that they have these folks in their corner. Team 271 and the "Bad Boyz" from Bay Shore also have excellent support from their mentors and community along with good teachers like Mr. Cavanaugh.

Oh and Greg **cough, cough** Hauppauge (team 358) could not have possibly had an incursion into the goal as they don't dump into the corner goals, gotta love our scouting team and their depth of information for that one!

[Scott358]

Originally Posted by Spindash54

On a side note, during Match 4 Hauppauge's robot went through the lower goal. Unfortunatley, we didn't realize about calling it until after we called the autonomous error and started Match 5. If we called the lower goal immediatley, we could've DQ'ed the entire Red Alliance and won.

For the record, it is physically impossible for our robot to enter the goal at all (assuming we are in one piece!!!). We are a 28" x 38" x 60" tall box, with no appendages.

On a more important topic....
I want to send a big congrats to 514 for Chairmans, and to Pat for Woody Flowers. You guys are a class act!!!!!!!!!!

[Matt Krass]

Clarification on the positioning thing, my Dad is bad with details so Madison was misinformed.

He was confusing the time we made a last minute change to our alignment, which we verified was ok with the head ref before doing so, with the fact that for match 5 we broke our position trend and let 271 take slot 1 and we took 2, no rule breaking here, just a confused Dad

[Revolverx7]

Can you clear up when my team went into a corner goal? I drive the robot and there was only 1 time I was anywhere remotely near a corner and that was to collect some balls with my conveyor, not push balls in or dump balls out.

Congrats to all who put up with going through a 5 match best of 3 finals competition. I had a great time and I hope to see you all and Championships.

[Spindash54]

Well like I said, I don't have all of the specifics since I was in a world of hurt and cheering at the same time.

Brain, could you clear up what actually happened with that. Being half-there and listening on several conversations at once, I obviously missed something with that. I'm sorry Hauppauge if its looks like I'm trying to knock you, I'm just trying to relay everything I knew in the hopes it gets corrected.

This is why I really wish they would check their own video feeds for things like this...

[Brian C]

OK Greg, to help clarify:

With all the excitement of the replays, replays & uh....oh yeah replays of the final match there was some misinformation flowing around.

1. There was no actual goal incursion by any team on any alliance. Matt (not Krass our teams Matt C.) verified that afterwards with the refs due to the confusion. The ONLY issues during the replays were field/computer related, (oh yeah and that tie score in the 3rd match)

2. As I mentioned earlier 358 did not have ANY mechanism on their robot that would allow them to enter the lower goal in any way, shape or form. We saw that in Hartford and also knew from our scouting info that dumping was not part of their strategy. Quite frankly they didn't need to dump 'cause their shooter is excellent and only getting better as they "massage" their technology.

On a side note I want to echo Scott's congrats to 514 for their chairman's award. They have been around for many years and through all their up's and down's have always been a class act when it comes to Gracious Professionalism.

Greg, remember that the competition is only a means to and end and the robot is the method of getting to that end. The real payoff is having people like yourself, Matt Krass and anyone else on any FIRST team anywhere having the opportunity to do this.

Like I kept telling all of your 1468 team mates during the build period:

"If you're not careful you're actually going to learn something from this and then you'll be addicted like the rest of us."

[wt200999]

Hey, Good playing guys, we played really good as a team. Im a pit crew guy from 870, but we did really well together. Congrats too all

Wow, our team went from dead last for most of friday into saturday , to winning the finals. you guys made a good pick.


GO 870!!!

[sw293]

Congrats to 358 on a successful defense of their regional championship! I understand that makes four straight regional finals appearances for you, and, if only in my book, three regional championships in two years. Good luck in Atlanta; I won't be there but my team might. If we are, feel free to drop by our pit and say hello.

[Ken358]

Thanks sw293

Spike is one of our all time favorite teams.
We appreciate you taking us to the finals in Philly last yr.

By the way your robot looked great in NJ this year. I liked the antenna springs that opened your basket/hopper.

Ken

[DarkJedi613]

Congratulations to 514 for winning Chairman's Award, and thanks to 329, 353 and 1468 for an intense Finals. Thanks to 271 and 870 for being with us at the end. Also congratulations to all the MVPs chosen by their teams.

and to echo others - third match was a tie, fourth match was replayed because we lost autonomous mode, the computer said we won. So a field mishap created the fifth match.

Originally Posted by Joel J.

Who was the alliance captain of the winning alliance? What seed did they pick as?

Specifically I was. 358, first seed (11-1-0), picked 271 as our first pick then 870 as our second pick.

Originally Posted by sw293

Congrats to 358 on a successful defense of their regional championship!

870, Southold was with us last year too.

Also our shooter never actaully broke - it was just jammed and had positioning problems from a slipping potentiometer.

Its a good thing it ended when it did - we were starting to run low on batteries!