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Re: defense

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I prefer to think that in the heat of the game people forget about the QP issue. It's not the the most obvious thing to remember when you're trying to win the match.
It is also hard to keep track of how much you are winning by this year with the scoring issues and not being able to count the score yourself. There is no real way to tell if you are just barely winning, just barely losing or have a huge difference in score since the score is tabulated as you go opposed to being able to do a quick tally in the middle of the match like previous years. Because of this it is really hard to maximize your RP's.
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Re: defense

QP's DO matter.

Try going 8-0-0 through qualifying, but still be ranked second due to QP's and then watch the #1 seed pick their colaboration team the #3 seed...painful especially when it's two of the three triplets.
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Re: defense

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QP's DO matter.

Try going 8-0-0 through qualifying, but still be ranked second due to QP's and then watch the #1 seed pick their colaboration team the #3 seed...painful especially when it's two of the three triplets.
So, have another baby, or two, next year
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Re: defense

Ranking points are what is being discussed. There are 3 scenarios for ranking points:

1: Winner gets their points or the losers unpenalized score, which ever is lower.

2: Loser gets their penalized score.

3: Tie and you get your own score (penalized if there are any).

I hope this helps.
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Re: defense

Defense is not a bad strategy, that's almost all our team did, and we ranked 4th overall, and made it to the semi-finals at the GLR.
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Re: defense

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There is no real way to tell if you are just barely winning, just barely losing or have a huge difference in score since the score is tabulated as you go opposed to being able to do a quick tally in the middle of the match like previous years.
With the huge penalties and controversial ownership issues concerning descored tetras, it was a lot harder last year than this. In most of the matches this year, the winning alliance has the higher score on the board. Last year, it was almost like magic.
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Re: defense

The reason to play a tough defence instead of trying to get more ranking points is to show other teams what you can do. If you can show that you can shut down the opposition's scoring, you are more likely to be picked by a higher ranked team.
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With the huge penalties and controversial ownership issues concerning descored tetras, it was a lot harder last year than this. In most of the matches this year, the winning alliance has the higher score on the board. Last year, it was almost like magic.
I found last year a lot easier to predict, especially when we got to nationals and there were less of those terrible 30 pt. penalties. If you saw that the field was all covered in blue, you felt pretty comfortable to score red tetras for the opposite side (we never do this, I watch rage do it at Chesapeake last year and it's the only time I definitively remember it. (mostly cause I didn't know why on earth they would do that, ah rookie year)) This year, if you see your score on the board is 84, it could really be 12, no penalties necessary.
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Re: defense

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In most of the matches this year, the winning alliance has the higher score on the board.
Board? What Board? Could someone please explain what this "Board" thing is that you speak of.
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Re: defense

Real time scoring on the screen (If it's working at the moment)

I had to explain the game to a relative, including QP. He thought you had to win. When I explained all the QP stuff, he was stumped. "You wanna win but not by a mountain of points. Your opponent's score affects where you end up for the seed."

Defensive bots trying to block at the end of the match makes it fun. I recall a match where a defensive bot was pushed on the ramp and used as the third robot.
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Re: defense

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Real time scoring on the screen (If it's working at the moment)
I am sorry if my sarcasm did not translate well. I did not watch every match, but I do not recall the real time scoring being dsiplayed at the Colorado Regional after Thursday. After seeing some of the scores posted on the screen during the practice matches, it was obvious why they were not using the real time scoring system during the competition.
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