Winning twice?

[omutton]

The most deserving teams should win the awards, regardless of if they have won it before. Judges shouldn't have to settle for second best just so another team can go to the Championships.

For example, in our rookie year, we won the Rookie All Star Award at 2 regionals. Although back then it didn't qualify us for Atlanta, we won it because in the eys of the judges, we deserved it. The same goes for Chairman's; we won it 2 years in a row because the in the eys of the judges we were the most deserving.

[kawelch]

It seems to me that if FIRST wants to continue to grow they need to spread the love out so to speak. If the same team wins the same award at multiple regionals it merely states that this is a competition for the rich. Teams that can not afford to go to but one regional are at the mercy of the teams that can afford to go anywhere. Many teams need some kind of recognition to help keep them on the field. There are 20+ awards given out at 30+ regionals, is it too much to ask that one team not get all of them. (I exaggerate to make a point)

That's my opinion... I could be wrong.

[BerserkerSpyke]

I think that you should be able to win the awards at as many regionals as you deserve them at, but if you already have the qualifier for nationals, you should be able to pass on whatever "double" you may incur.

[JC-75]

After thinking a little more: Does it seem like a logical proposal to allow the duplicate winning team to pass on the qualification to the next most qualified team, with the assistance of the judges? This seems a fair way for the team that did well to get the recognition they deserve, while still keep the integrity of the national qualification system intact. I think this sounds fairly reasonable, and I'm sure there are some others who agree?

[Jherbie53]

Originally Posted by JC-75

After thinking a little more: Does it seem like a logical proposal to allow the duplicate winning team to pass on the qualification to the next most qualified team, with the assistance of the judges? This seems a fair way for the team that did well to get the recognition they deserve, while still keep the integrity of the national qualification system intact. I think this sounds fairly reasonable, and I'm sure there are some others who agree?

I agree, that if you won an award that sends you to Nationals at one regional, then you could help decide at your next regional who gets that same award. This would be cool to see, a rookie giving an award that qualified them for Nationals to another team. This would be one of the most Gracious Professionalism moments shown by a team, especially from a rookie.

[Lil' Lavery]

Would you like to be the one who has to tell a team who spent the last 2 months of their life working their rear end off to build the best robot feature that they can't win an award for it because they won an award for it last week?
If a team creates something truly THAT innovative that it deserves to win two regional awards, so be it.
And even if you were to impliment such a rule, many of the technical awards are similar enough in fashion that a team could, and would likely, just win a different award. A team winning Motorola Quality could easily just win GM Inudstrial Design next week. So, do we say, you win one technical award, and then you're done?
And dealing with the Championship invites, I think that should be decided by the team. That team, having already earned an invite for Championship, should be the ONLY people with the power to determine if they compete for another championship slot by competing for that award again. Plus, if you make that type of decision for them, where do you stop? Only let teams win the on-field event once so other teams can get a spot at Championship? Only one technical award so more teams have a chance to be published in the book?
My vote, let the team decide whether it should win the award again or not.

[Faith]

I think that if you win 2 spots, you should be able to nominate/give someone your other spot that you think should go/deserves it...

[Jherbie53]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Would you like to be the one who has to tell a team who spent the last 2 months of their life working their rear end off to build the best robot feature that they can't win an award for it because they won an award for it last week?
If a team creates something truly THAT innovative that it deserves to win two regional awards, so be it.
And even if you were to impliment such a rule, many of the technical awards are similar enough in fashion that a team could, and would likely, just win a different award. A team winning Motorola Quality could easily just win GM Inudstrial Design next week. So, do we say, you win one technical award, and then you're done?
And dealing with the Championship invites, I think that should be decided by the team. That team, having already earned an invite for Championship, should be the ONLY people with the power to determine if they compete for another championship slot by competing for that award again. Plus, if you make that type of decision for them, where do you stop? Only let teams win the on-field event once so other teams can get a spot at Championship? Only one technical award so more teams have a chance to be published in the book?
My vote, let the team decide whether it should win the award again or not.

A tech award you should be able to win twice, even if its a different one. Also I don't think any of us have said that we should decide who gets the award twice that sends someone to Nationals, the Team that won should consider stepping down, is what we said. It's not easy, some teams don't think they are going to win twice or don't know that they are up for the award again.

As for winning a regional, that should be left alone. I know some people are going to say, "if you don't let someone win an award twice but let someone win a regional twice, then thats not fair." But winning a regional is different. You might of been picked for an alliance, and helped two other teams win that might of lost in the Finals without you. At West Michigan, three teams that have never won a regional before, won it and teams 85 and 27 have won regionals in the past.

This is a difficult subject to talk about. People will always have two different opinions about everything, and this is one of those things. Maybe letting them receive the award two or more times is right, and maybe not giving them the award twice is right. It's anyones guess what FIRST might do in the future, with or without any input from the teams.

And thats my, hopefully last, little rant about this subject.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Jherbie53

A tech award you should be able to win twice, even if its a different one. Also I don't think any of us have said that we should decide who gets the award twice that sends someone to Nationals, the Team that won should consider stepping down, is what we said. It's not easy, some teams don't think they are going to win twice or don't know that they are up for the award again.

As for winning a regional, that should be left alone. I know some people are going to say, "if you don't let someone win an award twice but let someone win a regional twice, then thats not fair." But winning a regional is different. You might of been picked for an alliance, and helped two other teams win that might of lost in the Finals without you. At West Michigan, three teams that have never won a regional before, won it and teams 85 and 27 have won regionals in the past.

This is a difficult subject to talk about. People will always have two different opinions about everything, and this is one of those things. Maybe letting them receive the award two or more times is right, and maybe not giving them the award twice is right. It's anyones guess what FIRST might do in the future, with or without any input from the teams.

And thats my, hopefully last, little rant about this subject.

I fully agree with you, I was using the points of how rediculous it is that anyone would say you shouldn't be allowed to win an award twice.