grafitti in school....legal style

[Adam Shapiro]

Personally I think that anyone working on these robots can be called an engineer. That is a fair title. However, while I do believe that the title "Engineer" can be used for students if they consider themselves to be such, this thread is about graffiti. If you'd like to argue about the use of the title, I'd suggest starting a new thread.

[VEN]

sand:

1: The teacher wants some color in the tech shop.
2: It says Motivate and Endeavor, if it said something else it would be "gang art". We were trying to encourage our lazy class to work better by using something important as those two words and integrating them into something everyone knows
3: I don't do this on the streets, this is my first time doing this so chillax
4. I don't "tag" things and walls
5. Why is it so disturbing that I know how to do this...just cause I know how to use an airbrush doesn't mean I'm some outlaw off the streets
6. the prinicipal actually liked what we did...she took it as art not as gang tagging


*I drew Snoopy, I'm so bad now!"

[Madison]

Originally Posted by Adam Shapiro

Personally I think that anyone working on these robots can be called an engineer. That is a fair title. However, while I do believe that the title "Engineer" can be used for students if they consider themselves to be such, this thread is about graffiti. If you'd like to argue about the use of the title, I'd suggest starting a new thread.

For a discussion about students using the 'Engineer' title, please see this thread: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=29746

[Mike]

Good job. Do you have a higher resolution picture?

I think graffiti is great. It's a more... liberal, think-outside-the-box type of artwork. Why limit yourself to a 8.5x11 piece of white paper, when you can have a huge wall... with different textures and angles. Associating graffiti artists with gangs is also wrong. If gangs started using oil pants to communicate, does that make Van Gogh a gang member?

As far as graffiti causing gangs/shootings, that's just pure FUD. Correlation does not equal causation. If graffiti wasn't available it would just be some other medium.

Originally Posted by sanddrag

This type of "art" should never be allowed or supported in a school environment.

Didn't they say that about jazz, rock and roll, hip hop, rap, etc. etc?

Also, I don't believe bringing up his user title was truly necessary. This could be discussed in a PM. Please don't attempt to bring attention away from the discussion at hand.

[VEN]

I'll take a picture of both of them tommow

[Clark Gilbert]

Looks awesome! I remember back when I was a senior in HS and one of our teachers/team advisors painted some Technokat "graffiti" on one of our walls at school!.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/16010

[VEN]

way better than mine unless i tell you, you can't read what i wrote...

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by sanddrag

Here's the problem. All it takes is one word on one new wall, and pretty soon, the whole city is covered in it, the whole city looks trashy, gangs claim their territtory, shootings happen, the residents get mad, the property values fall, the city must spend millions more on cleanup and cops, and it just turns into a really bad situation which takes decades to recover from.
This type of "art" should never be allowed or supported in a school environment.
Take a drive over by the Southern California regional location one day. You won't be calling it "art" anymore.

"Cap'n I think we lost the Inspiration in this one!" LOL
You're a "glass half empty" kinda guy aren't you?

Originally Posted by Jay H 237

The high school 237 is based out of used to have paintings that students did in art class on the walls. The paint was everything from what you could call modern art to graffiti to picture of the Statue of Liberty. Most of the walls of the school were painted when I went there as a student. After they repainted the complete school in the late 90's most of these paintings were painted over. The school today is basically a two tune green paint scheme, not as interesting as it had been.

Some of the walls still are painted Jay. You should come to meetings more often LOL j/k..
Nah, there is one with a graffiti style teacher's face and other images outside his room's wall, another of a rain forest scene, and yet another of a (unfinished still) map of the United states with some landmarks over the map on the wall in the main cafe.

I would have to say (in my 5 years on the team based out of the HS) that I have never seen any of these murals disgraced, or violated in any way. I know that it may be the fact that it's on the inside, and hard to defile a huge mural in a public hallway in a school, but I see other things written over (signs for events for instance & bathroom walls) but the murals remain untouched.
People know that it took a long time to create these works of art, and they tend to respect that.
It's kind of nice really. It restores my faith of people in general when I see them as good looking as they were the day they were painted each time I am at the HS.

I wish the same good fortune to your artwork as well. It may be a bit on the edge as far as "publicly accepted" art forms, but I still would like to see it live on for quite some time.

[Bemis]

From Meriam-Websters online dictionary at www.m-w.com

Main Entry: 1en·gi·neer
Pronunciation: "en-j&-'nir
Function: noun
Etymology: alter. of earlier enginer, from Middle English, alteration of enginour, from Middle French engigneur, from Old French engignier to contrive, from engin
1 : a member of a military group devoted to engineering work
2 obsolete : a crafty schemer : PLOTTER
3 a : a designer or builder of engines b : a person who is trained in or follows as a profession a branch of engineering c : a person who carries through an enterprise by skillful or artful contrivance
4 : a person who runs or supervises an engine or an apparatus

By definition 3b, he can't call himself an engineer. By definitions 3a and 4, he can, and quite rightfully.

[Adam Shapiro]

Originally Posted by Bemis

By definition 3b, he can't call himself an engineer. By definitions 3a and 4, he can, and quite rightfully.

And quite possibly from definition 2 as well. Still, the argument of title does not belong in this thread.

[KTorak]

"Grafitti" is very cool in my opinion. As long as its legal, it shows very cool artistic expression. A good friend of mine has created awesome grafitti style works of art, including a sunset painting (its made from 6 various sized canvases) that looks really nice. He has also done some on random things in his room and it looks really nice. Now it the artist is illegally placing their work on buildings and stuff, that's what stereotypes grafitti as a bad thing.

[Eugenia Gabrielov]

If any of you have ever been up in some of the historical districts of Chicago, there is beautifully painted grafitti on the buildings.

A lot of it is culture - symbols that mean a lot to the specific culture. The one I've seen most (from school field trips) is the Hispanic neighborhood, and a lot of the art on the buildings is extremely cultural and beautifully done.

[Adam Shapiro]

I find that graffiti art can be a very interesting and attractive modern art form. What I can't seem to figure out is painting an entire canvas a single color and calling it art. I just don't see it... Couldn't the same art be created by a house painter? Then again, is house painting art?

[vic burg]

I think it is really awesome. My dad let me take down my bedroom door and do graffitti all over it. I mean, it's not like, actual graffitti since I don't know how to make those kinds of letters but, it still looks cool. If the teacher said it was okay, I don't see why you should get in trouble for it. It is his classroom so, I would think that he can do whatever it is, to it. If the principal has a problem well, yes, it may be a bit of a problem but, I think that if a student(s) and/or teacher(s) want to allow it, so be it. It is a way to express how one feels and all. And, it's not like you just went up and did it. The teacher OKed it so, there isn't too much controversy about it. Is there?

[Adam Shapiro]

Originally Posted by vic burg

I think it is really awesome. My dad let me take down my bedroom door and do graffitti all over it. I mean, it's not like, actual graffitti since I don't know how to make those kinds of letters but, it still looks cool. If the teacher said it was okay, I don't see why you should get in trouble for it. It is his classroom so, I would think that he can do whatever it is, to it. If the principal has a problem well, yes, it may be a bit of a problem but, I think that if a student(s) and/or teacher(s) want to allow it, so be it. It is a way to express how one feels and all. And, it's not like you just went up and did it. The teacher OKed it so, there isn't too much controversy about it. Is there?

I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it is allowed in their school, it's not a problem. There was an argument in this thread as to whether or not graffiti in general is ok, or if it is all wrong. Ven's work, however, is not in question. His teacher allowed it and I don't believe that the school has any problems with it.