Newton Discussion

[xmfan]

Originally Posted by Mercury Rising

Some people think 987 for being on their alliance 2x, and all the other teams that 176 was partnered with, carried 176.

That's interesting a team that makes the finals at two regionals and wins one of them. Was undefeated all weekend, then gets to the finals of a "regional" at the Championship gets carried I can't believe it

[Wayne C.]

Originally Posted by Sean.Conway

I knew that team 25 would win newton. I think that if they had another Power team with them, the whole event would of been theres. 968 did a good job(cheesys sister team) and they had great team work. Good Job guys! and everyone!

One thing we learned over the years is that there is no such thing as a sure thing.

We AGONIZED over who we wanted to pair with for the elims. Aces High one time picked us in the past and it was hard to turn them down, but our rationale was that they kept getting tipped over and we didnt want that.

As a team we were leaning towards both Wild Stang and High Rollers. We know the Rollers as our friends and alliance partners from LV and we knew they would get the job done. They also had the pushing power we wanted. But we also knew Stang from the 2003 season and lots of friendly interraction since then. Their dart in and shoot play also had great appeal. Both (actually a number of) teams had great robots that easily could have been a great partner.

Imagine the dilemma of having to face 11 on Sat morning undefeated at the time. If we won they fell back into the mix. If they won and we dropped out of the top few spots and possibly couldn't pick them as partner. We talked about this Friday and both teams agreed that GP warranted we both do our best and play it as it fell.
As it turned out they won (our first loss ever) and the result lowered our rank to where we were succeeded by Aces High, setting up this whole situation.
My compliments to Aces High for playing the game like a pro. I'm not sorry about the outcome of the division but they sure made the game a greater challenge for us.
Overall Newton was the toughest group of robots we played all year. How about a Newton Reunion on November 4 at our place for Brunswick Eruption 5?

It was a great division and great FIRST year.

WC

[nparikh]

I like that idea of a Newton Reunion (even though I may be biased..just a tad bit). But I agree, Newton had the most challenging set of robots we've ever faced off with..and I don't think anyone would disagree that the teams were most definately some of the best in the country.

[dan 322]

Originally Posted by nparikh

I like that idea of a Newton Reunion (even though I may be biased..just a tad bit). But I agree, Newton had the most challenging set of robots we've ever faced off with..and I don't think anyone would disagree that the teams were most definately some of the best in the country.

TUFF, TUFF and TUFF.....that's my thoughts on NEWTON. Every match had great robots in it. We loved being their, just to watch them all.

Does anyone have final scoring stat's for bots on NEWTON. I know some teams keep some amazing stats and would love to see the final statistics.

[George A.]

Originally Posted by Wayne C.

Imagine the dilemma of having to face 11 on Sat morning undefeated at the time. If we won they fell back into the mix. If they won and we dropped out of the top few spots and possibly couldn't pick them as partner. We talked about this Friday and both teams agreed that GP warranted we both do our best and play it as it fell.
As it turned out they won (our first loss ever) and the result lowered our rank to where we were succeeded by Aces High, setting up this whole situation.
My compliments to Aces High for playing the game like a pro. I'm not sorry about the outcome of the division but they sure made the game a greater challenge for us.
Overall Newton was the toughest group of robots we played all year. How about a Newton Reunion on November 4 at our place for Brunswick Eruption 5?

It was a great division and great FIRST year.

WC

You played both 111 and 11 Saturday morning. At the end of Friday 25 and 11 were both undefeated and Paul Kloberg (Senior Mentor for NJ agonized at two NJ teams playing each other) I'm sure it was just a typo, and I wanted to clarify.

In any event, congrats to 25, 2 regional wins, a regional chairmans, divisional winners, and World Finalists...all In all a truly successful year.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by dan 322

TUFF, TUFF and TUFF.....that's my thoughts on NEWTON. Every match had great robots in it. We loved being their, just to watch them all.

Does anyone have final scoring stat's for bots on NEWTON. I know some teams keep some amazing stats and would love to see the final statistics.

we have scoring stats on all the robots in Newton. I'll see if I can get ahold of them.

One problem is that the high scorers scored so much, I'm not sure that the numbers have the proper number of balls counted. I know our scouts saw us score fewer balls than we later saw on video, when we had a 128 point match with 987 on Friday afternoon.

[George A.]

Originally Posted by Cory

we have scoring stats on all the robots in Newton. I'll see if I can get ahold of them.

One problem is that the high scorers scored so much, I'm not sure that the numbers have the proper number of balls counted. I know our scouts saw us score fewer balls than we later saw on video, when we had a 128 point match with 987 on Friday afternoon.

I noticed that too...several matches i blatently saw 9 balls go through the center goal and down the chute, and the RTS said that they scored 27 points (9x3=27) but then the human counters would say that only 7 or 8 went through...what happened to the mysterious phantom ball?

[Nawaid Ladak]

I was watching on NASA TV, but who did 176 pick the first two times and the team said no, i saw the allince parings on www.soap.circuitrunners.com and it said something about third time is a charm....what was that all about

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by FreedomForce

I was watching on NASA TV, but who did 176 pick the first two times and the team said no, i saw the allince parings on www.soap.circuitrunners.com and it said something about third time is a charm....what was that all about

176 first picked us, 25, and we declined. Then picked 254, and they declined.
They did this to break up any super-alliances. The reason they did so(well from my understanding) was because they knew that many teams would not want to accept their offer, because many teams did not consider them one of the better bots.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by M.O.R.T.

I noticed that too...several matches i blatently saw 9 balls go through the center goal and down the chute, and the RTS said that they scored 27 points (9x3=27) but then the human counters would say that only 7 or 8 went through...what happened to the mysterious phantom ball?

I didn't mean to imply that FIRST got their numbers wrong. What I meant was that our scouts who recorded how many balls each team scored probably weren't able to keep up with some of the faster scoring teams, and as a result, they probably got shortchanged.

[Daniel Brim]

That was awesome competition. Even the qualifying matches were hard faught (101-92 anyone?). Thanks to 987 and 11 for being awesome in autonomous mode in various matches. We had some "luck of the draw" problems in the first few matches of elims, but that's the way it goes in a division that is as packed as Newton was.

[Craig Roys]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

I must say, 987's alliance should've been on Einstein as well. The perfect set of matches from this year has to be the Semis with the 2 vs 3 seed. Perfection.

Thank you, and thanks to 987 for picking us. We finally got to play the defensive game we built our robot for. Being with the #2 seed on Newton as a rookie team was just phenomenal - what a way to finish our season! Thanks 25 for a great fight - we had fun trying to stop you. We drained our battery to almost nothing defending you in the first match. Good work getting away from us in the corner in match 2 at the end - if we could have held for 5 more seconds ... who knows? You guys deserved the win - you had an awesome alliance, congratulations.

[Sean.Conway]

Originally Posted by Craig Roys

Thank you, and thanks to 987 for picking us. We finally got to play the defensive game we built our robot for. Being with the #2 seed on Newton as a rookie team was just phenomenal - what a way to finish our season! Thanks 25 for a great fight - we had fun trying to stop you. We drained our battery to almost nothing defending you in the first match. Good work getting away from us in the corner in match 2 at the end - if we could have held for 5 more seconds ... who knows? You guys deserved the win - you had an awesome alliance, congratulations.

I said thankyou to you guys on another post and you deserve it again!, we usually dont swing that way when it comes to picking, but you impressed our scouts with excellent defense, and you proved it for real when it depended the most, excellently played! Also a thankyou to 1503 for an awesome autonomous and teamwork!

[peaseonearth]

Originally Posted by Corey Balint

176 first picked us, 25, and we declined. Then picked 254, and they declined.
They did this to break up any super-alliances. The reason they did so(well from my understanding) was because they knew that many teams would not want to accept their offer, because many teams did not consider them one of the better bots.

I have to agree. Being up there for alliance picking I sure didn't feel like one of the better bots. In fact our own scouting had us as 12th over all. I robot had some disadvantages that became very apparent in the final match's. Aces High would be interested in a Newton Reunion. We are hoping to finally get our camera working and fix the other bugs for the off season events.

Great job by team 25, 195 and 968 on Einstein!!

[dan 322]

Originally Posted by 987HighRoller

what 176 did to break up the power alliances was smart, but wasn't very graciously professional.

Boy, I'm confused here. I would think that team 176 earning first place (no matter how) entitled them to ask any team they thought was best to win with, how would that be "not very graciously professional". I think teams that denie after being picked would fall into the "un-gracious" category myself. Honestly they should remove that rule in my opinion just to avoid it. This isn't "let's get all the favorite teams together and win", it's called FIRST robotics guys

It was great playing with all the awesome bots this year in Newton, congrats to all.