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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

PEOPLE, the competition was held in the BACK of the park, in a parking lot, you would most likely need a shuttle to get to the parks.

I think Disney is a great idea, although, im not sure if it has room to really expand, i would consider disney for FLL World Festevel, but FRC competiotion should be played at either Universal Studios Orlando, (They have alot of room over there to expand) or the Orange County Convention Centere On International Drive,

Nice Hotels are nearby. Disney is a 10-20 minute drive from OCC. Universal is the same distance. Hotels are right across the street. Many locations for lunch and dinner, nice selection for Fast food, and Sid down restorants, places to walk around (Point Orlando, just down the read, has many specalty shops and restoraunts and a HUGE arcade, Hooters, movie thearters. and big open areas to walk around) Cheap Entertainment, Miniture Golf, GoCart Racing, rides and all that fun stuff less than 15 minutes away.

And on top of that, i bet you can have 4 Divisions, with two feilds in each division, Einstin, DaVinci and a whole practice feild for each division, plus pits and all the other exibits. ALL under ONE roof.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

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PEOPLE, the competition was held in the BACK of the park, in a parking lot, you would most likely need a shuttle to get to the parks.
I assume you never attended the event at Epcot. For most of its run there, it was held in one of Epcot's parking lots (Discover, if I remember correctly) and was located to the side of the park's entry. It was not more than a five minute walk from anywhere at the event into Epcot, or similarly, to the monorail station. There was food available on site, but the event was also convenient enough to Epcot, particularly, that food vouchers good for eateries in the parks were included among the packages.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

Hooters?

Like Hooters in Austin?

Hooters and Disneyworld, hmmm
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Between the day of working in the Dome and walking back to the hotel, I was shot after each day--
The endless walking from the...

Hotel to the Pit Area,
From the Pit Area to the Dome,
From the Dome Entrance to your Division (Far walk for some)
From your Division to the Dome Entrance,
From the Dome Entrance to the CNN Center,
From the CNN Center to the Pit Area,
From the Pit Area to the Dome Entrance,
From the Dome Entrance to your Division,
From your Division to the Dome Entrance,
From the Dome Entrance to the Pit Area
-Repeat 6 or 7 times-
From the Dome to Your Hotel
From your Hotel to Dinner
From Dinner to your Hotel

...Is probably what caused your tiredness. You would have been even more tired if you traveled via the MARTA system. I think one of the main advantages to having it at Disney is that everything is in close proximity – not only in reference to the pits and fields but also to other members on your team - you would be able to work both in the pit and watch matches as well as be in some contact with your entire team without the hike in-between. Don't get me wrong - being able to attend Nationals in itself is extremely rewarding - but - Nationals in Disney would allow students to relax and have fun in a secure and exciting student-friendly environment. After 6+ weeks of constant work, I think that relaxing and having fun in "true Disney style" is the best reward that can be experienced after a long day of competition - and would be enjoyed by all participants and their families.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I admit, Epcot was good spacewise. However, we were right by the main entrance, it was a bit of a walk to parking, and there was a distraction less than 100 yards away: Epcot. There were other distractions that were farther, but had transportation readily available: Magic Kingdom, MGM Studios, and Animal Kingdom. Plus, the sun. If you were watching Einstein, you needed a hat an binoculars. Not to mention the scouting nightmare of teams changing fields, etc. And, if it rained, the pits would get very soggy.

The best place for FIRST to hold Championships is: in a covered football stadium with a convention center or another sports venue nearby. I only know of two places like that, and Houston had those ramps. Atlanta is the other. And, I think Atlanta is the best place for now. If we outgrow that, we'll need a stadium devoted to Championships and robotics year-round.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

The venue is only half of the concern, the other half is the location. The location needs to be safe and have surrounding activities besides the TV in the Hotel room. Disney would have the parks to allow students the freedom to simply not do anything- no scouting, no speaking with judges, no VIP tours...As of now - as previously mentioned - the day concludes with a walk back to the Hotel and five hours of free time that cannot be filled. A covered football stadium would be excellent, but what is the location of the stadium and is it appropriate for students to RELAX and have FUN?
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

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Two Words: Detroit City.

Why??
If we can host the Superbowl an All-Star Game, an International Auto Show, and the NBA Playoffs (since we keep winning) in a span of 7 months (3 of those are within 3 months), we can definately host FIRST!

After-hours entertainment ??
(Campus Marcius), Detroit Science Center (location of Detroit Pep Rally, movie theaters, DIA (Detroit Institute of Arts),Belle Isle, Detroit Zoo, and something's always going on at Hart Plaza.

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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

Detroit doesn't seem to be that much of a problem to hold Nationals. But where would the pits be? Is there a location such as a football arena that could hold the competition but a surrounding area to hold the pits? I know when we went to the Detroit competition we went by the stadium and ended up eating at Greek town but there didn't seem to be a building right next to it for the pits. Or is that a big enough arena to hold the pits but I doubt that. That would be a perfect central location for us so we wouldn't have to fly or be on a bus that long like we did to Atlanta, Orlando or Houston. I would really like to see it go out west again. I liked it out west in Houston but for us as a team we really didn't enjoy it too much. We went to the beach on a Wednesday but it was closed because it was too cold. There wasn't much for us to do there. The hotel we stayed in wasn't that good and it didn't seem like the atmosphere for Nationals it seemed more for business. Just my thoughts.
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Two Words: Detroit City.

Why??
If we can host the Superbowl an All-Star Game, an International Auto Show, and the NBA Playoffs (since we keep winning) in a span of 7 months (3 of those are within 3 months), we can definately host FIRST!

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Except that they aren't within walking distance of Ford Field.

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Pits? The convention center (Cobo) is more than a mile away from the stadium. And there's no space at Ford. The Rolling Stones' set for Superbowl halftime had to be set up across the street at Comerica, outside, and pushed into the field. If they don't have staging room for stage parts, they certainly don't have room for pits.

As another poster stated, you need a full-size arena next to a convention center for FIRST to work. Indianapolis was another location suggested earlier in this thread.
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Detroit doesn't seem to be that much of a problem to hold Nationals. But where would the pits be? Is there a location such as a football arena that could hold the competition but a surrounding area to hold the pits? I know when we went to the Detroit competition we went by the stadium and ended up eating at Greek town but there didn't seem to be a building right next to it for the pits. Or is that a big enough arena to hold the pits but I doubt that. That would be a perfect central location for us so we wouldn't have to fly or be on a bus that long like we did to Atlanta, Orlando or Houston. I would really like to see it go out west again. I liked it out west in Houston but for us as a team we really didn't enjoy it too much. We went to the beach on a Wednesday but it was closed because it was too cold. There wasn't much for us to do there. The hotel we stayed in wasn't that good and it didn't seem like the atmosphere for Nationals it seemed more for business. Just my thoughts.
1.The buisness part would change.
2. Yes, Weather IS unpredictible, but the Sterling INN has an Indoor Waterpark and most of the hotels are pretty good at catering to unique types of clientel.
3. In the rare case (you could always put the pits in those HUGE walkways) that there wouldn't be enough space, you can just put the whole event in Cobo Center!
3.Detroit's VERSIONS (notice the S) of Centennial Park are Hart Plaza AND Campus Marcious.
4.We are a State with one of the greatest number of tems per capita.
5.Team's up here don't want to pay 10+ Grand to get down there (I agree, Californians have had a harder time, but our team could never afford to go all the way out there).

My personal opinion: I don't necessarily like walking through all the seats half-way across a Stadium in between all those seats as either people are sitting there or It's taped off (Experienced this in Palmetto). There is actually a lot to do in Detroit, but not many people realize it.

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Except that they aren't within walking distance of Ford Field.

Pits? The convention center (Cobo) is more than a mile away from the stadium. And there's no space at Ford. The Rolling Stones' set for Superbowl halftime had to be set up across the street at Comerica, outside, and pushed into the field. If they don't have staging room for stage parts, they certainly don't have room for pits.

As another poster stated, you need a full-size arena next to a convention center for FIRST to work. Indianapolis was another location suggested earlier in this thread.
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Cobo is right next to Joe Louis Arena, Cobo is a HUGE place, probably enough to host the whole event, but if you do need the space, you can go to Joe Louis for some more space, which is linked by a walkway.

Off-topic: What exactly is next to the Georgia dome to hold all the "Extra" stuff?

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Off-topic: What exactly is next to the Georgia dome to hold all the "Extra" stuff?

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I don't know about being next-to the Dome, persay, but there is a lot of space beneath the dome. The floor level, beneath the seats, also opens up directly to the shipping areas between buildings B and C of the Georgia World Congress Center.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

I'd just assume to leave it up to FIRST to find the ideal location. I'm sure they are better at this than we are. I want it in the Quad Cities but that's not gonna happen... ever. Chicago or StL would be nice. I'm sure many major cities have ample facilities for this even. What's wrong with Atlanta? Besides the walking distance.
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Re: Championships location from 07 and onwards

This seems to be one of these never ending threads. For now and until 2008 or 2009 we are stuck with Atlanta. People are going to have to accept this and have to deal with this until then. And Epcot will probably never happen again. If it would why would FIRST leave in the first place? Right now looking at all the possibilities Atlanta is a good choice. If it wasn't, would FIRST have resigned a contract? Also if these places are what everyone says they are don't you think FIRST has already looked at those possibilities? Until then this is what they have to deal with. Who knows maybe they know some place that's expanding and will be able to host a Championship in a few years. But every year FIRST keeps growing bigger and bigger and places to hold it are getting smaller and smaller. I'm not trying to bash this thread I'm not, but the Championships are going to be in Atlanta for 2-3 more years. Everyone is bashing Atlanta. This is a good spot, think about it. I know I haven't been in FIRST as long as some people have but in my 6 years I have seen 3 different places for the championship. Atlanta is convenient with the dome for the competition and the congress center for the pits and centennial park for the party. Hotels to accommodate 10,000+ students withing walking distance, restaurants within walking distance, MARTA cheap, reliable and convenient transportation. This is a low maintenance facility unlike EPCOT where the fields had to be constructed under tents, Einstein field and the main seating for the main field to be in bleachers outside. The pits were constructed in a tent outside so when it rained the pits flooded and you had to pick up all the power supplies off the ground. If it rained when you were watching Einstein, opening/closing ceremonies you were screwed unless you remembered your umbrella. All of this for EPCOT was constructed in their parking lot just to hold a championship. I admit the team parties were fun but FIRST grew too big with FLL and Vex to be accommodated at EPCOT. Now in Houston the astrodome has been demolished if I remember correctly so there are the pits. It's nice to think about it but there are a few more years to get through first. The past is gone and we need to look on the future. The past is nice to dwell on but that's why they call it the past. Now your ideas are great for places to hold it don't get me wrong but you have to consider the event location and surrounding area. Pits, Party, Food, Transportation, Lodging, Recreation, Facilities, Maintenance, all those things. To me I think the Championship will be in Atlanta until at least 2012. I'm sorry if I offended anyone that wasn't the intention of my post. My intention is to show that Atlanta is a great spot for the championships. It's convenient with the surrounding areas and everyone seems to have fun there. They are welcoming us with signs around town and in buildings, trying to accommodate our needs by adding easier transportation to newer different places like the aquarium so teams don't have to see the same boring things every year, year after year. FIRST=Championships in Atlanta for years to come. Keep up your thoughts and ideas but keep in mind what I had mentioned.
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