Automotive Company Sponsored Winners

[Don Wright]

Ever since I've been in FIRST (since 2003), there has always been a team that is mainly sponsored by one of the automotive companies.

In 2003, the Huskies (#65) sponsored by GM
In 2004, The Martians (#494) sponsored by GM and DaimlerChrysler (I believe)
In 2005, the Hot Team (#67) sponsored by GM
In 2006, The Thunderchickens (#217) sponsored by Ford

What about before this? Any other interesting connections between winners?

Just curious...

[Richard Wallace]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

What about before this? Any other interesting connections between winners?

Just curious...

Besides the obvious? They're all great teams with inspiring people on them ...

[AmyPrib]

1998 - Team 45 - Delphi (and maybe still part of GM then)

The HOT team is #67 (you have 76).

And I second what Richard said.

Another connection - those listed so far are odd number teams.
Oh wait, no they're not, because another typo - the Martians are 494.. not 949..

[Joe J.]

Also I think every year since at least 2002 a Michigan team has been a winner
2002 66
2003 65
2004 494
2005 67, 503
2006 217

If memory serves all of which have auto industry sponsors.

Edit: I did some more checking and in 2001 team 279 was one of the champions.

[jts]

I can't say it doesn't make sense though. There's more alignment with the auto industry than any other.

[Nita]

I think that makes sense since Michigan has the most teams (I think...?)

Originally Posted by Philmont629

Also I think every year since at least 2002 a Michigan team has been a winner
2002 66
2003 65
2004 494
2005 67, 503
2006 217

If memory serves all of which have auto industry sponsors.

Edit: I did some more checking and in 2001 team 279 was one of the champions.

[379Robocat]

In my 6 years of FIRST I have always wondered that. We were a GM team for 3 years and the 3rd year we though we were up for an award. As they were announcing the team we were up on edge everything described our robot to a T except the last word "s-clamp". As they started to read the number the team was a little confused but they didn't care because it would have been a first. they announce it 3....7.....8 the team let out a big sigh as they graciously clapped for 378 seeing we are 379. They are the Circuit stompers from Newfane NY. After GM backed out of sponsorship for us we seemed to never have a chance. If any year after 2002 to win one, it would be this year. This years robot was amazing, very simple, very very robust, the machinery was amazing, just simple the best robot I have ever seen from this team in my 6 out of the teams 7 years in existence. Our team had hoped for a quality award instead of winning the KPC&B Entre. award for the 5th time. We were disappointed that we did not win this award at all nor really be considered. I mean the kids described it as well as test it for the judges. I don't like to say my bot is better then your bot but one of the robots that won this award was right next to us in the pits and after carefully looking it over I decided that ours would be competition with them. After watching their robot perform I was a little confused. After the start of their 10 balls and they were dumped that was it that robot was done it couldn't reload, HP load or collect it just drove around and played "D". We went against them and pushed them all over the floor, reloaded off the floor, dumped in side goals and played some massive "D". Like I said I'm not one to brag or say my robot is better then yours but this year I was mighty proud of that robot and would have stayed up a month straight during competition season just to get noticed. The only reason I can think they received the award instead of us was because they were a GM,Ford,DC,Delphi team. I apologize if I offended anyone or bashed anyone, that wasn't my intention. My point was that there was a robot that won an award and our robot in my mind was up there with that robot if not a step ahead of them and they received the award because they were a Corporate name unlike us. (I would have found out for sure which one they were but the FIRST website is currently down)

[Joe J.]

Originally Posted by Nita

I think that makes sense since Michigan has the most teams (I think...?)

Michigan has the second most teams with around 100 and California has around 110, and I believe New York has just under 100. (These numbers are from memory, I can get to the FIRST site for some reason to get the actually numbers.

[Pavan Dave]

Originally Posted by Philmont629

Also I think every year since at least 2002 a Michigan team has been a winner
2002 66
2003 65
2004 494
2005 67, 503
2006 217

If memory serves all of which have auto industry sponsors.

Edit: I did some more checking and in 2001 team 279 was one of the champions.

Yep.

I'd say because atleast half of the teams in michigan are sponsored by automotive companies in way way shape or form, which gives a greater probibility of automotive sponsored teams to win.

Pavan

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by 379Robocat

In my 6 years of FIRST I have always wondered that. We were a GM team for 3 years and the 3rd year we though we were up for an award. As they were announcing the team we were up on edge everything described our robot to a T except the last word "s-clamp". As they started to read the number the team was a little confused but they didn't care because it would have been a first. they announce it 3....7.....8 the team let out a big sigh as they graciously clapped for 378 seeing we are 379. They are the Circuit stompers from Newfane NY. After GM backed out of sponsorship for us we seemed to never have a chance. If any year after 2002 to win one, it would be this year. This years robot was amazing, very simple, very very robust, the machinery was amazing, just simple the best robot I have ever seen from this team in my 6 out of the teams 7 years in existence. Our team had hoped for a quality award instead of winning the KPC&B Entre. award for the 5th time. We were disappointed that we did not win this award at all nor really be considered. I mean the kids described it as well as test it for the judges. I don't like to say my bot is better then your bot but one of the robots that won this award was right next to us in the pits and after carefully looking it over I decided that ours would be competition with them. After watching their robot perform I was a little confused. After the start of their 10 balls and they were dumped that was it that robot was done it couldn't reload, HP load or collect it just drove around and played "D". We went against them and pushed them all over the floor, reloaded off the floor, dumped in side goals and played some massive "D". Like I said I'm not one to brag or say my robot is better then yours but this year I was mighty proud of that robot and would have stayed up a month straight during competition season just to get noticed. The only reason I can think they received the award instead of us was because they were a GM,Ford,DC,Delphi team. I apologize if I offended anyone or bashed anyone, that wasn't my intention. My point was that there was a robot that won an award and our robot in my mind was up there with that robot if not a step ahead of them and they received the award because they were a Corporate name unlike us. (I would have found out for sure which one they were but the FIRST website is currently down)

Reason alot of teams win, is that they are REALLY good at talking. Judges arn't going to say you should win if you can't tell them how good your robot is, even if it's the greatest thing ever. Presentation is every bit as important as actual acheivment when campaigning (and that's exactly what it is) for an award.

[Jherbie53]

First off this is my 100 post, go me. Anyhoo, there are teams that have big sponsors, like GM, Delphi, and Ford. You don't need a big sponsor to win. Every year that I've been apart of team 85, we've had at least 6-7 sponsors. Granted some of them were Herman Miller, Gentex, and ITW Drawform, all of them are big companies in the area. I think that the reason we have won awards in the past is that we have the students involved with the robot from start to finish. I'm not saying that all the other teams don't do this, But we want the students to do as much of the work as they can. I've been told a couple of times, while being handed a tool, "here you do this." or "here you put this together."

We have done very well with not only our robots, but also our presentations to the judges in the pits.

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Reason alot of teams win, is that they are REALLY good at talking. Judges arn't going to say you should win if you can't tell them how good your robot is, even if it's the greatest thing ever. Presentation is every bit as important as actual acheivment when campaigning (and that's exactly what it is) for an award.

Thats how the awards are. Your robot can be the best on the field, but if the students can't tell the judges how it works, then you might be passed on some awards.

Anyhoo, the co-winky-dink that there are teams with a major automotive company as a sponsor that wins is cool. Now lets try and get the teams that hardly make it through the season and get them into the mix of winning championships and being counted like the major teams.

[KTorak]

As I skimmed through the thread, I didn't see it mentioned, but Big Name Sponsors tend to provide a little bit more financial backing/mentor support than say your average local business would...

[Don Wright]

I didn't want this to turn into a thread about the big named sponsors making it better or easier for teams to win. Or that other teams aren't inspired as much...

But, I was just curious about it...

If 2002 added 66 (another GM team), then how far back does it go?

[Travis Hoffman]

Originally Posted by Don Wright

If 2002 added 66 (another GM team), then how far back does it go?

I think it stops there....

2001

[379Robocat]

Reason alot of teams win, is that they are REALLY good at talking. Judges arn't going to say you should win if you can't tell them how good your robot is, even if it's the greatest thing ever. Presentation is every bit as important as actual acheivment when campaigning (and that's exactly what it is) for an award.

I understand that but, I have been in the pits when the judges come around and the kids I think do an excellent job. I listen to them and I see them demonstrate the robot functions and I think they have done the most fantastic job ever, as if they were in a nationals chairmans award interview. They talk, demonstrate and show drawings. I still feel that Corporate base teams with engineers have some kind of advantage over the teams from a small town that is a community run team with community members donating their time to make the team better. I have seen it done before. In our community the economy is bad. We had a corporate sponsor and they dropped us with no explanation and the other major corporations have already been in partnership with other teams. After that it took us a while to beat perseverance and to dominate a community based team. Some teams have engineers do all the work. Example: If you walk into some pit areas you will find 20 engineers working on a robot and 5 kids watching what would you think? I stand by my posts 100% and I have already gotten PMs about this but I don't care. But think about it, put yourselves in our position and not have a corporate sponsor or engineers and just community volunteers donating their time to help the team and go to a competition and see how things go. Then think about how you want to send PM's and be negative towards teams who want to make a difference and see the looks on their faces when they feel they have done an excellent job constructing a robot that they feel is superb from not having corporate sponsors and no one noticing them. They feel that teams with corporate sponsors get some kind of advantage because they have the money, materials and right knowledge to build a robot and a team that is rememberable because of team spirit, robot performance or sponsors instead of o0o yeah I think I remember that team. I had said previously that I was not trying to bash this thread or teams but people seem to want to be against me and send me PM's about this. These PM's are from people with corporate sponsors. Place yourselves in some team without a corporate sponsor for a year or for four years and see the difference before you go and start criticizing them. I'm sorry but people need to realize that not every team has a corporate sponsor and not the chance to work with some top notch people from corporations from around the world. I know judges have a hard time judging. I for one have been a volunteer and seen the stress that goes through each day. But corporate teams seem to be a first look. This thread seems to be a negative one but that's not my intention as stated before. There are teams that aren't as fortunate as some to be able to work with the major corporations that have leading engineers. That is what FIRST is about. I would appreciate if people would think about that for a second before they start replying or PM'ing me about this message.