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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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Lessee...

71: EI, Finalist, Chairman's, and Champion in two regionals.
180: Champion at Florida, plus a couple of other handy awards. They've historically done pretty well at Palmetto as well.
342: Alright, so UCF was a little rough for them. They made semis at Palmetto last year, not to mention claiming every single Chairman's Award the regional has ever awarded. I have high hopes.
1398: The Robo-Raiders might not be the most successful robot on the field, but they have a solid track record at Palmetto when it comes to their work in the community, which has led to some pretty big awards in their past (Rookie All-Star in 2004, EI in 2005). I have equally high hopes.
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1398: 3-6 on the field, but who can top Chairman's? (And Keenan is only going to Palmetto and the Championship, which means there are fewer events to affect their average score.)

So that's what, two championships (71, 180), two Chairman's (71, 1398), an EI (71), a bunch of smaller awards, and three of my four made the dance thus far this season? I like those odds!
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

My aliance did OK.
1 Regional win (70)
2 Regional Finalists (70 and 910)
3 Quarter Finals (245, 70 and 279)
1 Regional Chairmans (245)
1 WFA (245)
2 Safety Awards (279, 70)
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How do you plan to score the league?
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

I'm planning on scoring it after the mayhem of next week. That also happily coincides with the end of the spring semester at USC, so I'll have time to score it.

All of the original categories will be scored, provided I can get data on all the teams.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

Looks like everyone did well, it's gonna be close
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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Looks like everyone did well, it's gonna be close
Indeed, as I'm scoring them right now, it's looking really competitive.

I've gotten through 1derboy, Adam, Alex, Big Mike, and myself. The highest team score thus far is 71 (my first pick, 63.67 points), with the lowest score a tie between 312 (Adam's third, -4), and 22 (Alex's third, -4).

Unfortunately for MOE (and coastertux, who picked them), it seems that CA Honorable Mention wasn't one of the big awards when the scores were set way back at the start of the league. On the other hand, 10 points on top of the 45 for EI is still nothing to sneeze at.

One issue came up while I was scoring wins and losses--what should be done when a team plays a placebo match? I'm looking in particular at 484 at Chesapeake, where they had an additional match. Their record is 7-2, but the Hatch software ranked them like they were 6-2. Do they get the additional two points for the placebo win or not?
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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Their record is 7-2, but the Hatch software ranked them like they were 6-2. Do they get the additional two points for the placebo win or not?
Go with the information on the FIRST site.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

Cory and Jay look like the two best right now, with Cory having 968, 33 and 68
while Jay had 65, 121, and 66.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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One issue came up while I was scoring wins and losses--what should be done when a team plays a placebo match? I'm looking in particular at 484 at Chesapeake, where they had an additional match. Their record is 7-2, but the Hatch software ranked them like they were 6-2. Do they get the additional two points for the placebo win or not?
I would go with the final ranking results, the way Hatch ranked them.

Did other teams have 9 matches or did 484 have a re-macth somewhere in there?
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

I'll just throw a statistic out there to stew on.

Over the three events they competed in, 25 alone averaged a score of 74.67 points. 25 alone outscored the combined score of four of the nine players I've scored thus far. There looks to be a few more contenders out there, but Corey Balint has a heck of a score to beat.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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I'll just throw a statistic out there to stew on.

Over the three events they competed in, 25 alone averaged a score of 74.67 points. 25 alone outscored the combined score of four of the nine players I've scored thus far. There looks to be a few more contenders out there, but Corey Balint has a heck of a score to beat.
Heh.

Yeah, when I joined this league, I expected nothing but complete domination.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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One issue came up while I was scoring wins and losses--what should be done when a team plays a placebo match? I'm looking in particular at 484 at Chesapeake, where they had an additional match. Their record is 7-2, but the Hatch software ranked them like they were 6-2. Do they get the additional two points for the placebo win or not?
Even though I'm not competiting, I'd count the win as 2 points. They did end up going 7-2, not 6-2, and the ranking software has them listed as 7-2 (but with 12 RP).
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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Heh.

Yeah, when I joined this league, I expected nothing but complete domination.
Well, you might want to hold off on popping the bottles of sparkling cider.

Since the curiosity was killing me, I broke the pattern I was using and went ahead and scored 111 (Steve Howland's first pick). Here's their sheet:

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MWR	WFA	8
MWR	Chairman's	42
MWR	Champion	30
MWR	RadioShack Innovation in Control	2
WI	Champion	30
WI	RadioShack Innovation in Control	2
CMP	Newton Finalist	15
CMP	Chairman's	80
MWR	Wins	20
MWR	Losses	-2
MWR	Ties	1
MWR	3rd Seed	12
WI	Wins	18
WI	Losses	-4
WI	Ties	1
CMP	Wins	10
CMP	Losses	-4
CMP	Newton 8th Seed	6
CMP	Newton 1st Alliance 1st Pick	8
The raw score is 275, which divided across three events is a godlike 91.67 points. Unless his other three picks (47, 571, 179) that I haven't scored really flopped hardcore or someone had a killer stealth combo, I think we might've found a winner.

11 more players to go.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

Again, why Chairman's shouldn't count so much.

If you take out the Chairmans Awards, it comes down to an average of 51 points, which still is a very high score, but a 40 point swing in a league based off averages...
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

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Again, why Chairman's shouldn't count so much.

If you take out the Chairmans Awards, it comes down to an average of 51 points, which still is a very high score, but a 40 point swing in a league based off averages...
The pros and cons of Chairman's have been argued to death elsewhere. On the regional level, I think the numbers are about right. (They also work on a philosophical level, too--if the Chairman's teams are best exemplifying FIRST's mission of changing the culture, then they are The Answer. That came up late last night--if it's not humorous to anyone else, I apologize.) One could argue that the Championship Chairman's Award is a little broken with its 35-point gap over EI, especially since most teams that bring home the clock are also pretty successful on the field as well, such as 111 (2006, Newton finalist), 67 (2005, World Champs), and 254 (2004, Newton Quarterfinalist).

I'm not going to change it for this year, but next year's league will have some tweaks to the system.
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Re: 2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

Chairman's should stay the biggest award. If you just look at it from a numerical standpoint it makes sense why it's worth so much. It has the lowest probability of being won at the Championship level, because it RECQUIRES you to have won the award at the regional level, and only 1 team per event wins it, plus you may win it only once per year(with the exception of the single team that wins twice per year). Therefor, it is the HARDEST award to win, and should be worth the most.
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