2006 Pre-Kickoff FF -- IT'S ON!

[Billfred]

WE HAVE A SCORE!

Name.......	Team 1	Score	Team 2	Score	Team 3	Score	Team 4	Score	Total:
Corey Balint	25	74.67	358	38	231	30	384	45.25	187.92
Greg Needel	233	62.33	395	60.67	1305	31	1492	2	156
Cory.......	330	30.33	33	23.75	68	24.67	968	58	136.75
Dan Swando	217	56	229	37	188	26.33	639	4	123.33
Steve Howland	111	91.67	47	6	571	11	179	14	122.67
Billfred	71	63.67	180	30	342	6	1398	22	121.67
Vince Lau	503	45.67	48	24.38	1241	32.67	1006	18	120.71
Koko Ed...	1511	22	79	50	1507	-10	1126	57.5	119.5
Jay Trzaskos	65	9	121	46.5	66	39	1279	17	111.5
Alex Cormier	118	21.25	469	53.67	22	-4	195	40.25	111.17
Conor Ryan	254	47.67	16	20.67	103	27.75	4	14.67	110.75
Dez.......	1114	64.25	191	25	222	6.5	61	9	104.75
Elgin Clock	175	18.83	69	21.25	148	18.75	192	40	98.83
Tim Delles	173	9	177	50.67	234	15	135	18.67	93.33
Jeff Rodriguez	157	19.33	716	27	383	20	93	23	89.33
Icurtis....	341	35	108	6.67	1251	9.33	1519	29	80
Ted Boucher	126	29.67	56	16	88	9.33	116	18	73
1derboy....	245	16.67	70	38.25	910	8.5	279	5.25	68.67
Steve Horn	176	31	236	27	839	-11	230	21	68
coastertux	365	59.67	1676	9.5	484	8.5	1640	-10	67.67
Holtzman	980	2	1503	40.75	302	2.25	1002	20.33	65.33
Lisa Perez	67	12.33	27	26.67	1213	24.5	830	-1.67	61.83
Big Mike	1923	0	75	28	303	8	343	25.33	61.33
Marc P....	494	25.5	237	19.67	38	10	555	-2.33	52.83
Adam Richards	190	23.67	20	31	312	-4	845	0	50.67
Matt Kaplan	45	14.67	60	14	269	8.67	107	-5.5	31.83

Congratulations to the 2006 Preseason FF winner, Corey Balint! The spreadsheet I used to calculate the results can be found here.

Just a few statistics to make life fun:

Best first round pick: 111 (Steve Howland, 91.67 points)
Worst first round pick: 1923 (Big Mike, 0 points)

Best second round pick: 395 (Greg Needel, 60.67 points)
Worst second round pick: 47 (Steve Howland, 6 points)

Best third round pick: 66 (Jay Trzaskos, 39 points)
Worst third round pick: 839 (Steve Horn, -11 points)

Best fourth round pick: 968 (Cory, 58 points)
Worst fourth round pick: 1640 (coastertux, -10 points)

[Don Wright]

I'm not a FF guy, so I might be way off base, but it looks like the stats for 469 are way off...

If I'm reading it right, we were picked in the second round by Alex, but on his sheet it shows up as team 33 with our stats under them... And those are the teams picked by Corey...

Maybe I don't know how it's done... sorry...

[Lil' Lavery]

Yeah, there's something funky going on with that spreadsheet. For instance, the names on the bottom tabs and on the top of the spreadsheets don't match. ALL of the teams under the spreadsheets seem to have incorrect data.

[JackN]

Name.......	
Corey Balint	488.5
Greg Needel	466
Vince Lau 386.5
Cory 376
Dan Swando 362
Conor Ryan 360
Steve Howland 349
Billfred 337
Dez 329
Koko Ed 311
Tim Delles 280
Jay Trzaskos 271
Alex Cormier 276
Jeff Rodriguez 248
Holtzman 239
1derboy 230.5
Elgin Clock 216.5
Icurtis 211
coastertux 205
Ted Boucher 201
Big Mike 176
Marc P 174
Steve Horn 167
Lisa Perez 161
Adam Richards 125
Matt Kaplan 101

ok I got the overall scores for everyone. It seemed interesting to me to find out what every one scored. Conor Ryan and Vince Lau moved up big time if it were scored this way

[Billfred]

Alright, after a little investigation I've found that the team numbers get out of whack on the individual player sheets when the main sheet is sorted. It can be fixed by sorting the main sheet by player name. The problem was a design error on my part when I created the file, but the numbers work whichever way you sort the form.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

Therefor, it is the HARDEST award to win, and should be worth the most.

Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by Cory

Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

I still think the high reward for Chairman's is important--the robots are just a vehicle, right?

And even when you factor in the "free" 80 points that 111 scored for winning Chairman's this year, also note that four players were able to place higher. One team can not single-handedly win this sort of league--every single player in the top ten had two or more teams earning 30 points. It takes a strong combination to win.

[Mike Schroeder]

Originally Posted by billfred

Worst first round pick: 1923 (Big Mike, 0 points)

i won't Lie, that hurt a bit

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Billfred

the robots are just a vehicle, right?

Not in Fantasy FIRST, they're not.

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by Cory

Not in Fantasy FIRST, they're not.

Alright, I just got curious--what if the champion of this league was settled exclusively on the field?

So I went back to the spreadsheet and zeroed out all of the judged awards, leaving just seeding, wins, losses, drafting (for the Championship), and eliminations. Here's what would've been:

Name.....	Team 1	Avg.	Team 2	Avg.	Team 3	Avg.	Team 4	Avg.	Total:
Corey Balint	25	54	358	37.33	231	29	384	23.25	143.58
Cory........	330	29	33	22.25	68	23.33	968	57	131.58
Greg Needel	233	44.33	395	47	1305	17.67	1492	2	111
Conor Ryan	254	47	16	20	103	23.25	4	13	103.25
Dan Swando	217	38	229	37	188	22.67	639	4	101.67
Alex Cormier	118	20.25	469	51	22	-4	195	34.25	101.5
Dez........	1114	63.75	191	23	222	6.5	61	4	97.25
Jay Trzaskos	65	9	121	45.5	66	24.33	1279	17	95.83
Koko Ed..	1511	9.33	79	36	1507	-10	1126	56.5	91.83
Tim Delles	173	9	177	50.67	234	9	135	18.67	87.33
Vince Lau	503	27.67	48	12.38	1241	20	1006	17.33	77.38
Steve Howland	111	47	47	6	571	8	179	14	75
Elgin Clock	175	18.83	69	21.25	148	16.75	192	9	65.83
Jeff Rodriguez	157	18	716	25.33	383	-1	93	22.33	64.67
Icurtis....	341	19	108	6	1251	8.67	1519	29	62.67
Billfred....	71	37.67	180	28.67	342	-2	1398	-4	60.33
Lisa Perez	67	12.33	27	26	1213	23.5	830	-2.33	59.5
Ted Boucher	126	25	56	13.67	88	8.67	116	12	59.33
1derboy...	245	0	70	37.25	910	8.5	279	4.25	50
Holtzman	980	2	1503	40.75	302	1.25	1002	4.33	48.33
Marc P....	494	21	237	18.33	38	10	555	-2.33	47
Steve Horn	176	31	236	6	839	-12	230	20	45
Big Mike	1923	0	75	3.33	303	7	343	24	34.33
Adam Richards	190	9	20	26	312	-4	845	0	31
coastertux	365	23.33	1676	7	484	7.5	1640	-10	27.83
Matt Kaplan	45	-2	60	14	269	6	107	-5.5	12.5

So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Billfred

Alright, I just got curious--what if the champion of this league was settled exclusively on the field?

So I went back to the spreadsheet and zeroed out all of the judged awards, leaving just seeding, wins, losses, drafting (for the Championship), and eliminations. Here's what would've been:


So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

It didn't make a difference in this league, but you can see that the people who had chairman's teams definitely took noticable drops in the rankings.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Cory

Or it should be worth zero, because you don't get points in fantasy football for having the comeback player of the year, rookie of the year, or MVP.

While these awards may be slightly different, the point remains. Fantasy FIRST is about the competition, and CA is an award that is entirely removed from the competition itself.

I find it incredibly dumb that someone who picks a bunch of horrible teams, but manages to pick one team that has a chance at Chairmans, or honorable mention can swing the balance of an entire league, while someone who actually spends the time picking good teams throughout loses, because it's hard as heck to top someone who got a free 85 points or whatever.

You don't get points for the team winning or losing in Fantasy Football either, you get points for what the individual does, so does that mean we should remove champion and finalist as well?
In most fantasy sports, leagues are scored on around 10 statistics (that's the yahoo default for instance). IF you removed judge's awards from FF, that leaves you with 6 (W, L, T, Draft, seeding, and result). The awards serve to fill out the rest of the statistics.
Secondly, just because a robot does poorly, I wouldn't call them a horrible team, or even a horrible pick if they win Chairman's. Just because another league member spent time determining which bots would fair the best on the field, doesn't mean the other member didn't spend time on determining which teams have a better shot at judges awards. It's like picking a big yardage QB or a TD QB in a Fantasy football league (or batting avg. vs. HR's in baseball, etc.). Sometime's it is dumb luck, but that's true for any fantasy sport. Like when you draft a back-up running back in the last round and the starter gets hurt and your back-up goes on to a pro-bowl season.

[Corey Balint]

Originally Posted by Billfred

So I suppose that makes Corey the undisputed champion.

Heh.