Go to Post It isn't what you're given that makes it awesome. It's what you do with it. - JosephC [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > Technical > Technical Discussion
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-09-2006, 00:36
=Martin=Taylor= =Martin=Taylor= is offline
run the trap!!!
FRC #0100 (The Wild Hat Society)
Team Role: Human Player
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Bezerkeley, California
Posts: 1,255
=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute=Martin=Taylor= has a reputation beyond repute
Question Ordering Belts

Our team used a conveyor-belt made from drawer liner this year. It worked very well in regard to traction, but we couldn't keep it from coming off. We were using this conveyor belt to lift the balls.

Instead of fussing with it anymore I want to replace it with individual o-ring belts.

The problem is what kind of belt to order? I know nothing about belts and durometers and I'm kind of at a loss of how to go about doing this.

I have the circumference I want, but how do I know how much these different belts stretch?

Here's the belt I'm thinking of ordering:


Will this work? What have other teams used?

[EDIT]I want to use endless belts.[EDIT]
__________________
"Cooperation; because life is a team sport"
-Philip J. Fry
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-09-2006, 01:22
Stephen Kowski's Avatar
Stephen Kowski Stephen Kowski is offline
BSEE, MSEE, JD
AKA: employed
no team
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 2000
Location: Saint Petersburg, FL
Posts: 1,144
Stephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond reputeStephen Kowski has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Stephen Kowski
Re: Ordering Belts

I know a lot of teams had great success with Orangle Eagle 85 belts from Fenner Drives (http://www.fennerdrives.com/) you can order them from Mcmaster. Most teams I've seen use it with what amount to a customized soldering iron to fuse the belt together, thought fenner's website should give you more information.

Belt Diameter Per Foot
1/8" 59725K702 $0.45
3/16" 59725K703 0.65
1/4" 59725K704 0.81
5/16" 59725K705 1.26
3/8" 59725K706 1.76
1/2" 59725K707 2.96
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-09-2006, 01:56
Cory's Avatar
Cory Cory is offline
Registered User
AKA: Cory McBride
FRC #0254 (The Cheesy Poofs)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: May 2002
Rookie Year: 2001
Location: Redwood City, CA
Posts: 6,807
Cory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond reputeCory has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via AIM to Cory
Re: Ordering Belts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hachiban VIII
Our team used a conveyor-belt made from drawer liner this year. It worked very well in regard to traction, but we couldn't keep it from coming off. We were using this conveyor belt to lift the balls.

Instead of fussing with it anymore I want to replace it with individual o-ring belts.

The problem is what kind of belt to order? I know nothing about belts and durometers and I'm kind of at a loss of how to go about doing this.

I have the circumference I want, but how do I know how much these different belts stretch?

Here's the belt I'm thinking of ordering:


Will this work? What have other teams used?

[EDIT]I want to use endless belts.[EDIT]
We used round urethane belting from McMaster on our robot (5/16" diameter--major overkill). I believe they told us to order 10% shorter than we needed, due to the belts stretching. Do NOT trust this number. It is more like 2-5%.

The process we had to go through to mount the belts on our rollers was incredibly hard, and downright dangerous, due to how little they stretched. We had to put one side on our roller, and then use a set of ratcheting tie down straps to pull the other roller towards it's mount on our subframe, until we could line up the roller with the shaft. There was an incredible amount of tension on the roller while doing this--I don't even want to think about what would have happened if one of the straps gave way before we got the shaft in.

In addition, this caused our ball pickup system to be horribly inefficient. We probably lost 30% or more due to friction.
__________________
2001-2004: Team 100
2006-Present: Team 254
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-09-2006, 02:24
sanddrag sanddrag is offline
On to my 16th year in FRC
FRC #0696 (Circuit Breakers)
Team Role: Teacher
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Glendale, CA
Posts: 8,510
sanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond reputesanddrag has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ordering Belts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cory
We used round urethane belting from McMaster on our robot (5/16" diameter--major overkill). I believe they told us to order 10% shorter than we needed, due to the belts stretching. Do NOT trust this number. It is more like 2-5%.

The process we had to go through to mount the belts on our rollers was incredibly hard, and downright dangerous, due to how little they stretched. We had to put one side on our roller, and then use a set of ratcheting tie down straps to pull the other roller towards it's mount on our subframe, until we could line up the roller with the shaft. There was an incredible amount of tension on the roller while doing this--I don't even want to think about what would have happened if one of the straps gave way before we got the shaft in.

In addition, this caused our ball pickup system to be horribly inefficient. We probably lost 30% or more due to friction.
Heh, wow. Thanks for the details. I've always wondered how you guys got those on. Yeah, I was looking over those belts quite a bit on 968's and they did seem fairly hard and not stretchy. Kirk said McMaster will fuse them for you at any length. I reckon you probably have to call them to set that up eh?
__________________
Teacher/Engineer/Machinist - Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2011 - Present
Mentor/Engineer/Machinist, Team 968 RAWC, 2007-2010
Technical Mentor, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2005-2007
Student Mechanical Leader and Driver, Team 696 Circuit Breakers, 2002-2004
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 19-09-2006, 21:32
Unsung FIRST Hero Woodie Flowers Award
Chris Fultz Chris Fultz is offline
My Other Car is a 500 HP Turbine
FRC #0234 (Cyber Blue)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Rookie Year: 1942
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 2,837
Chris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond reputeChris Fultz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ordering Belts

One of the teams at IRI (I forget which one) used a special velcro that is made for holding together portable soccer goals. it was very strong and a relaible way of moving the balls up into the robot.
__________________
Chris Fultz
Cyber Blue - Team 234
2016 IRI Planning Committee
2016 IndyRAGE Planning Committee
2010 - Woodie Flowers Award - Championship
Closed Thread


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Belts in Inventor Hunter Levesque Inventor 7 22-04-2006 10:11
Conveyor belts Max Lobovsky Technical Discussion 4 12-01-2006 19:32
V-Belts and Pulleys Mr. Mac OCCRA 1 22-10-2002 05:28
Belts, Timing Belts, and Automobiles. Anton Abaya Technical Discussion 5 09-01-2002 19:21
Conveyor Belts Pengiun Joe Off-Season Events 2 02-11-2001 22:49


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 17:43.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi