A&E after thought

[ggoldman]

I just wanted to see what everyone thought about the show on A&E. I thought it was good, but they didnt show engoh of our robot ( even though we were the #1 seeded team). Oh well. Either way this was good for first and I enjoyed the show.

Gabe Goldman
Head of Design Team; Public Realtions Manager
J.R. Tucker HIgh School

[Lora Knepper]

Congrats on being the number 1 seed...first off

I for one want to commend A&E for a fabulous program. This is the first time I've seen a tv network really dive into more than just who won the game. For once, they looked at the team. It was much more personal than simply "lets congratulate the winners" - let you look into the world, even briefly on some of these students and engineers. Made you want them to succeed even more than anything.

I want to congratulate both the Grundy High School and Herndon High School teams for their incredible FIRST spirit and refusing to give in no matter what the odds. I am not proud to admit that I used to be one of the ones (you know who you are!) that would look upon the VCU as a "rookie regional" as if that made it any less exciting. This program, and meeting two of my best friends, however, has forced me to admit I was wrong. Well funded, or "underdogs" - we really are all alike in FIRST.

I hope more networks take notice of the precedent A&E has set and sees us all in the competition for what we really are.

~ lora

[dlavery]

Overall, I thought the show was great. But, being a member of one of the two featured teams, I don't exactly have an objective opinion. As good as the show was, I do know that there was some much more interesting/bizarre footage that the camera crews collected, that would have made an even more entertaining show (although it may not have done much to promote FIRST - most of you know how things tend to loosen up about 1:00 in the morning on the day before shipping the robot...)

On a more serious note, I do want to offer a public apology on behalf of our entire team for an unfortunate remark that was recorded and aired near the end of the show. A statement was made that was disparaging of another team. The phrasing of the comment was unfortunate, unnecessary, and unsportsmanlike. It reflects poorly on the values we, and all of FIRST, try to embody. For us, it cast a sour note near the end of an otherwise very positive program, and we are sorry.

-dave lavery
lead engineer
Team 116 - Herndon High School and NASA Hq.

[Kyle Fenton]

I am sorry, but I thought the A&E presentation sucked. Not to diss any of teams in there. But they didn't diversify. They didn't show what FIRST was all about. They didn't show the awards (animation, chairman's, etc), the nationals, the history, the nationals, the whole excitement. I thought the program was limited and I think got people off on the wrong foot of what FIRST is. The announcer made it more look like a team Robotica competition. Better luck next time for them.

[patrickrd]

I thought the show was good. I especially liked how they looked specifically at a couple teams, and their experiences throughout the season. It was incredibly easy to relate to what Grundy went through (e.g. struggling to finish on time, running into trouble with weight limit, being mentally & physically exausted towards the ship date, etc...). A&E did an outstanding job relaying to the viewer what it is like for students and coaches to participate in FIRST.

On the other hand, I think A&E could have done more to show what FIRST is all about. Keeping in mind that it is an entertainment show and not a documentary, and especially that the show is labeled "The Competiton," I cannot complain about their approach (I thought it was great for the most part). However, it would have been nice if they took a minute or two to make it clear that FIRST is not just a competiton (it isn't just "all about winning", as they quoted a student saying early in the show). FIRST is a way of inspiring students (and the general public) to figure out something they want to do in life, and to look at technology in a different light. Instead A&E seemed to highlight some more negative aspects of teams (I seem to recall terms such as "morons!" and other similar comments among teams)... While in reality the competitions are still 99% graciously professional.

Although the A&E show was nice, let's hope next years game will allow us to get a lot more publicity, and that we can do better than being compared to people who make chicken noises.

Patrick

[Justin Stiltner]

Well, I think it was a pretty good show but they cut most of the best parts... especially 2 really emotional talks about how first has impacted us and how it has changed my life.
and I dident know I sounded like that!!!

but on the morons thing... our team uses that not as a discourageing/degreading word..but more of a joke than anything.. its one of those things that starts at 430 in the morning and just never stops... know what I mean?

and dave ill relay your words to the stradigie guy on our team...

but all in all i think it was a nice show... and its a good last bang for the grundy team.... this will be their last year... politics has gotten in the way of having the team and nobody except for a very select few adults and all of the kids wants it.. but I hope to start a team at the community college and continue the tradition at least in the area.

did I mention that i dident know I sounded like that?

[Anthony S.]

I enjoyed watching the A&E program. I also agree that they could have done more to show what FIRST is really about and not just a competition. I also think someone should have informed A&E that FIRST is all about being graciously professional, maybe they wouldn't have aired that end part. But, I've heard far more than 'morons' in the alliance station. A&E was just showing what happens, and that did happen a lot, teams wouldn't corporate and it just messed everything up.

Our team can also relate to one of our advisors being sick, the teachers husband was sick and didn't have a voice for a while. But we pulled through pretty good. But look at the bright side, FIRST finally got some publicity.

If you didn't see the program, you can order the tape by calling
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[Mike Soukup]

Originally posted by Anthony S.
I also think someone should have informed A&E that FIRST is all about being graciously professional, maybe they wouldn't have aired that end part. But, I've heard far more than 'morons' in the alliance station. A&E was just showing what happens, and that did happen a lot, teams wouldn't corporate and it just messed everything up.

I get my points across best when I'm blunt, so here I go...

Your point about someone telling A&E about gracious professionalism is misplaced. Someone should tell all the teams & individuals about it. The producer didn't manufacture those comments, people said them. They were a part of the competition and the producer has a right to use them. Maybe the individuals should have restrained themselves better.

The fact about comments like that is most, if not all of us, (myself included) have thought or verbalized similar feelings. We get caught up in the moment and think, say, or do things we shouldn't. We're not perfect, and I don't think we should try to pretend we are. If someone unintentionally does or says something out of line at a competition, accept their apology and go on

Mike

[A. Leese]

I totally missed watching the program. I had planned on watching it, so I never thought to set up my VCR to tape it. I regret that now. My parents got the great idea of going down to Palm Beach Gardens around noon, so, instead of being at home watching the show, I was at Office Depot with my family looking for memory for my dad's Palm. Fun fun. Oh well. I hope someone around here taped it...

~Angela who now knows to always program her VCR, even when she thinks she'll be home to watch a program

[Lora Knepper]

Originally posted by Mike Soukup

I get my points across best when I'm blunt, so here I go...

Your point about someone telling A&E about gracious professionalism is misplaced. Someone should tell all the teams & individuals about it. The producer didn't manufacture those comments, people said them. They were a part of the competition and the producer has a right to use them. Maybe the individuals should have restrained themselves better.

The fact about comments like that is most, if not all of us, (myself included) have thought or verbalized similar feelings. We get caught up in the moment and think, say, or do things we shouldn't. We're not perfect, and I don't think we should try to pretend we are. If someone unintentionally does or says something out of line at a competition, accept their apology and go on

Mike

I have to say I agree with you Mike on this one. I drove for team 69 for three years, in FIRST for 4 and still going - I'm one of the most die hard FIRST-a-holics as anyone who knows me will tell you. I try more than anything to stick to Gracious Professionalism...and although you dont mean to, sometimes things slip out in the "heat of battle" it's happened to me, I will admit to it. Happened more than once.

If A&E had manufactured the sound bytes, fine, I'd have an issue with it. But as it was, things like that are also part of the competition. You apologize and move on.

Though from what Justin said, I think it would have been nice for them to put the interviews where it really showed how FIRST was changing lives. But really - it was A&E's first try. I for one hope they come back to try again.

I really wish they hadn't put the turkey calling thing at the end though The rowboats were fine...but turkeys??

~ lora

[Anthony S.]

Originally posted by Mike SoukupYour point about someone telling A&E about gracious professionalism is misplaced. Someone should tell all the teams & individuals about it. The producer didn't manufacture those comments, people said them. They were a part of the competition and the producer has a right to use them. Maybe the individuals should have restrained themselves better.

I never really thought of it that way, you are very right Mike. It is the teams fault, A&E was just showing how competition is. Some people do say stuff they don't want to say in the heat of the moment, I know our driver said some stuff he shouldn't have. I apologize for not thinking before posting, but you have a real point there Mike, I admit my mistake.

[Justin Stiltner]

The gracious professionalism comments, meetings, and general display did happen.. many times actually.. and very few were filmed... and evean fewer of those that were filmed actually made it into the program.... also there were at least 4 interviews where emotions ran really high about the goals and morals of frist and what it means to the kids and to the adults... thiese aslo were cut and pasted into the documentery...

[Justin T116]

Although I was unable to view the entire A&E program, I have been informed that some of my actions were not "nice" and not whta FIRST is all about. I understand the sportsmanship and cooperation FIRST tries to convey and wishes its competitors to practice. As many people have already stated, in the heat of battle and under the stress of competition things slip out, and unfortunately for me it happened on national television. I would like to extend my heart felt apologizes to Team 388 and their strategists. Thank you and God bless.
Justin "Hertz" Hirt

[Tom Fairchild]

As the driver for Team 122 I got a few interviews with the A&E Crew. I can tell you that the interviewer from A&E was not looking for gracious professionalism. He would ask questions like (all quotes are paraphrased, btw),

"So after winning last year, do you think you'll come out on top this year??"
My responce - "I don't really know, I'd like to, but right now I'm just really happy to have made it this far and to have learned so much."
A&E - "but don't you really just want to go out there and win??"
Me - "Not really, I just want to go out there and hopefully show off all that our robot can do (which never ending up happening at VCU, btw)."

This kept going on and on. A&E would try to get me to say that I wanted to crush the other teams, I would always try to give the gracious professional answer. Needless to say, I was not in the show.

In conclusion, they were looking for exactly what they said they were - The Competition. Gracious professionalism does not (however unfortunate that may be) fall into that category. As for T166 and the comments aired, I don't think that there's a FIRSTer out there who doesn't understand and empithize with you. This episode about FIRST is a good start, but I see it as merely the beginning. Next year let's hope that there's a game that they can explain (although I must say that Jeff Seaton did a wonderful job trying! Go Jeff!). Thank you all, and good night.

~Tom~, who has gotten off his soapbox but thought that his comments should really be heard.

P.S. I just wanted to add on and say that I've heard from others that Grundy is a great group of guys (and gals, don't wanna leave you out) and I can personally vouch for Herndon. I had a great time with you all up in DC.

[ggoldman]

I respectfully disagree with the last post. I don think they were looking for teams that were going head to head battling. They were just trying to show the essence of what the competition is. I agree that they cut out some stuff they shouldnt have, but it still shows first in a good light.

As far as the one un gracious comment, I say this: we all do it. How many times have you talked with your team in planning meetings about who you would pick. I am sure that everyone doesnt go into the finals as one of the top four seeds with smiles and candycanes in their hands. No, they go into it ecited, hyper, and full of energy. If you did notice, it was the first time they were in that position. MY team was #1 seed. We had our list planned before the qualifications were over. That way we didnt have to stress out.

Anyways, to get to my point--- I think that we should all just let it go. I am sure the guy who made those comments already feels bad enogh. Everyone makes mistakes, just let it go.

I think thats what i was trying to say. ANyways, I hope i got at least one point across. oh well?!

Gabe Goldman
Head of Design Team; Public Relations Manager
J.R. Tucker Robotics