Rules Questions

[Guy Davidson]

Hello,
We read through the manual, and didn't find any good answers to these questions (sorry if any have been asked before - I didn't see them):
- Seeing as the leg sets are numbered 1 through 8, is a "reach-around" allowed? for example, does having 7-8-1-2 in one height count as four in a row or two rows of two in a row?
- For purposes of seeing what's going on in the other side of the field, are we allowed to connect the feed from the robot's camera to a monitor in our driver's control panel?
- Are we allowed to pull the opposing alliance's ringers of a "leg"? Or are we only allowed to manipulate their spoilers?
- Is the coach allowed to have a laptop/tabelt pcs/palm pilots with him when he is with the drivers during a match?

Thanks,
Guy,
Team 8

[DanDon]

Originally Posted by Aldgazar

Does anyone know anything about the "STINGER" besides the fact that it's a small rubber tube attached to the back of a SPIDER FOOT.

There was something about it in the Kickoff demonstration. One of the RINGERS was stuck on a rubber tube and they said it wouldn't have counted until it was all the way on the SPIDER LEG. I don't remember if this is exactly what they said about it. The manual mentions the STINGER briefly at the end of 6.2.2 (The Arena, The Rack).

The tube needs to be supported by the spider leg, and not the stinger. The stinger prevents tubes from being unintentionally descored.

[CoTR_krissy]

My team is also wondering the same thing. I also haven't found the answer on here yet.

krissy
team 281

[ahecht]

Originally Posted by sumadin

Hello,
We read through the manual, and didn't find any good answers to these questions (sorry if any have been asked before - I didn't see them):
- Seeing as the leg sets are numbered 1 through 8, is a "reach-around" allowed? for example, does having 7-8-1-2 in one height count as four in a row or two rows of two in a row?
- For purposes of seeing what's going on in the other side of the field, are we allowed to connect the feed from the robot's camera to a monitor in our driver's control panel?
- Are we allowed to pull the opposing alliance's ringers of a "leg"? Or are we only allowed to manipulate their spoilers?
- Is the coach allowed to have a laptop/tabelt pcs/palm pilots with him when he is with the drivers during a match?

Thanks,
Guy,
Team 8

Your second and third questions are specifically addressed in the Game and Robot section of the rules (since I encourage you to read this thoroughly and completely, I won't point you to the exact rule number). As a hint, I will tell you that the camera as it comes in the kit cannot transmit a video signal and a custom circuit would need to be created to do so. Your other questions may be there as well, but if they aren't they should be directed towards the official Q&A forum for an official answer. Any answer you get here that isn't directly quoting a rule from the manual should be considered speculation.

[DCA Fan]

1. There are no rules regarding wrap around. I assume this will be covered in an update, until then assume there is NO wraparound.
2. No idea.
3. Once ringers are on the rack, they may not be removed, doing so incurs a 10 pt penalty. Only spoilers may be moved about the rack.
4. I believe so, but again, best to wait for clarification.

[mstrjdilrd]

do u get points for rows if u have a two row on 7 and 8 and then on 1?

[CoTR_krissy]

ok. thanks.

[DCA Fan]

Originally Posted by Steve Howland

If a robot becomes disabled while in the opponent's home zone and thus unable to leave during the End Game period, will there be a penalty assessed?

No, if your robot is unable to leave the zone for being disabled, you will not incur the 10 pt penalty.

What if you purposely disable your robot with the E-stop while in the opponent's home zone as an attempt to interfere? (this would be against the spirit of FIRST, but I want it clarified so that it won't happen in a match)

The demo made it appear that the referees made the call on disabling, especially in instances of danger. If you disabled in the opponent's home zone for no emergency, you will incur a penalty.

[DCA Fan]

Originally Posted by mstrjdilrd

do u get points for rows if u have a two row on 7 and 8 and then on 1?

This will probably be clarified in an update, but for now assume you will not.

[Tetraman]

If there was a wrap around, there wouldn't need to be a need for the numbers. I'm guessing there is no wrap around. The points start at 1, and go to 8.

[mtaman02]

How much of the robot needs to be off the ground? The whole thing meaning Drive system and all or can there be a pneumatic lift under the robot and that would be the only device touching once everything is lifted up?

Chances are the question has been asked so if the answer is there just say so and I'll search for it =).

[Steve Howland]

Originally Posted by mstrjdilrd

do u get points for rows if u have a two row on 7 and 8 and then on 1?

Originally Posted by DCA Fan

This will probably be clarified in an update, but for now assume you will not.

ROW: a set of SPIDER LEGS that are SCORED for the same ALLIANCE and are adjacent and aligned either vertically or horizontally.

I think it will be addressed in an update, but that they will most likely count as a row of 3 because regardless of the numbers, they are still adjacent.

Originally Posted by mtaman02

How much of the robot needs to be off the ground? The whole thing meaning Drive system and all or can there be a pneumatic lift under the robot and that would be the only device touching once everything is lifted up?

Chances are the question has been asked so if the answer is there just say so and I'll search for it =).

<G56> ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface. The number of bonus points an ALLIANCE
receives is based on the total number of ROBOTS satisfying these conditions. Each ALLIANCE ROBOT entirely in their HOME ZONE at the end of the match is eligible to receive the following bonus points:
Each ROBOT between 0 and 3.9 inches above floor level - 0 bonus points
Each ROBOT between 4.0 and 11.9 inches above floor level - 15 bonus points
Each ROBOT 12.0 inches or more above floor level - 30 bonus points

[ahecht]

Originally Posted by DCA Fan

This will probably be clarified in an update, but for now assume you will not.

I'm not sure why you would assume you can't wrap around. As far as I can tell, the numbering is not mentioned at all in the rules, and is only used by the referees to assist them in scoring.

[ahecht]

As far as I can tell, the number are used to help the scorers (so they can easily tell which column to mark on their scoresheets as they are counting). If you read the game section of the rules, you will notice that the numbering isn't mentioned at all in describing rows. Only the word "adjacent" is used. Since 1 is adjacent to 8, I would assume that there IS wraparound.

However, any answer is pure speculation until an official answer (either in a Q&A or rule update) is released.

[6 foot 8]

Yeah for the robot thing, if u were to persay have a similar design to the wildstang 2001, where the ramp is touching the ground, but the robot on top of the ramp is not, you would still receive bonus points correct