Rules Questions

[efoote868]

<G56> ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface. The number of bonus points an ALLIANCE
receives is based on the total number of ROBOTS satisfying these conditions. Each ALLIANCE ROBOT entirely in their HOME ZONE at the end of the match is eligible to receive the following bonus points:
Each ROBOT between 0 and 3.9 inches above floor level - 0 bonus points
Each ROBOT between 4.0 and 11.9 inches above floor level - 15 bonus points
Each ROBOT 12.0 inches or more above floor level - 30 bonus points

Is it 10 or 12?

[cbudrecki]

now all this talk about dropping ramps in the end zone has me wondering...

wouldn't the ramp be considered part of your robot, and therefore, if you were to be on top of the ramp at the end of the match, the lowest part of your robot (the ramp) would be touching the ground and would therefore be useless

[3DWolf]

Originally Posted by efoote868

<G56> ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface. The number of bonus points an ALLIANCE
receives is based on the total number of ROBOTS satisfying these conditions. Each ALLIANCE ROBOT entirely in their HOME ZONE at the end of the match is eligible to receive the following bonus points:
Each ROBOT between 0 and 3.9 inches above floor level - 0 bonus points
Each ROBOT between 4.0 and 11.9 inches above floor level - 15 bonus points
Each ROBOT 12.0 inches or more above floor level - 30 bonus points

Is it 10 or 12?

12, the first is a typo. They said very clearly 12 in the kick off broadcast

[Billfred]

Originally Posted by tb222

now all this talk about dropping ramps in the end zone has me wondering...

wouldn't the ramp be considered part of your robot, and therefore, if you were to be on top of the ramp at the end of the match, the lowest part of your robot (the ramp) would be touching the ground and would therefore be useless

Right--you're not getting all three off of the ground.

[cbudrecki]

Originally Posted by efoote868

Is it 10 or 12?

Good catch. And what if you're 3.900...1-3.999... they don't account for that 1/10 of an inch... I mean, sure they may give it to you, but what's the OFFICIAL ruling???

[3DWolf]

Originally Posted by tb222

now all this talk about dropping ramps in the end zone has me wondering...

wouldn't the ramp be considered part of your robot, and therefore, if you were to be on top of the ramp at the end of the match, the lowest part of your robot (the ramp) would be touching the ground and would therefore be useless

I was discussing this with my team mates. If you deployed a sort of ramp, the ROBOT THAT DEPLOYED the ramps, would most likely NOT be counted for the final bonus points. If you can litterally DROP a ramp, and if another team made did the same, then you got on that ramp, then all bots would be counted.

[CBailey]

Originally Posted by Wbrown0389

no, must not be touching any element of the field...

if you may not touch any part of the field then it is practically impossible to get all 3 robots of the ground

[cbudrecki]

now as far as the wrap-around topic... I'm seeing it as the numbers are simply just for reference purposes and that if you have 7,8,1 that would qualify as a row of three because, as stated once earlier, they're still adjacent tubes.

Boy, they sure are making it tough for an Excel score-sheet this year... Time to get to work...

[DanDon]

If you are carrying an inner tube, let's say using the vacuum pump, and another robot in passing knocked the tube out of your possesion, would that count as removing possesion from a team, will the 10 pt penalty be assesed? <G36>

[ScottWalls]

Originally Posted by 2007 FRC Manual, Sec. 7, Pg. 9

<G40> Detaching mechanisms - ROBOTS may not intentionally detach parts or leave multiple mechanisms on the field. Violations will result in a 10-point penalty per incident. If an intentionally detached component or mechanism significantly impedes access to the RACK or an ALLIANCE ROBOT during the END GAME, the offending ROBOT will be disqualified from the match.

It is thus impossible without thrusters to get all three robots off the ground. It is highly improbable that even two will get off the ground, although it is indeed possible. The only way you could get two robots off the ground would be to have both drop ramps and move to the other's ramp. This would not work for two reasons.

First, the ramps deployed would still count as part of the robot, so the lowest point of both robots would be touching the ground, so neither of them would be scored. Second, even if you deployed some sort of ramp, you would be intentionally detaching parts, which is a penalty. I think it goes against the spirit of FIRST to suffer penalties on purpose. (Even though getting another robot off the ground high enough could push your alliance into net positive points)

[geeknerd99]

We almost need a separate rule question forum.....

I'm about to go to the shop to inventory the kit, but I kinda wanted to bring attention to another rule question before I left. It's about how to get rings into play.

That, and "rack" seems to mean both the tubes in the home zones and the actual goal too.

Heres the link.

[CBailey]

Originally Posted by ScottWalls

It is thus impossible without thrusters to get all three robots off the ground. It is highly improbable that even two will get off the ground, although it is indeed possible. The only way you could get two robots off the ground would be to have both drop ramps and move to the other's ramp. This would not work for two reasons.

First, the ramps deployed would still count as part of the robot, so the lowest point of both robots would be touching the ground, so neither of them would be scored. Second, even if you deployed some sort of ramp, you would be intentionally detaching parts, which is a penalty. I think it goes against the spirit of FIRST to suffer penalties on purpose. (Even though getting another robot off the ground high enough could push your alliance into net positive points)

one way you could get to robots off the ground would be to have 1 robot deploy 2 rams, one on each side, but still connected to the robot, and have the other 2 robots drive up on top of them

my only thought to get 60 bonus points would be to have 1 robot that could deploy 2 ramps then raise them to 12 inches once his opponents are on them
but i remember, in our meting today, hearing something about robots no being able to drive up on top of their opponents but i heard it from a mentor not from an official document so this statement may be false.

[jesusfreakmths]

INPROTANT!!!!

Lets say we are blue. the red team has 8 in a row. if we as the blue team take off 1 or 2 of there tubes and place them somewhere else. Does that dusrupt there row?

and can you carry around the oposite tube color so that the other team can't use it?

[BrianR]

Here's a question about keepers:

<G14> Late KEEPERS - After the AUTONOMOUS PERIOD ends, ROBOTS may not HANG any
KEEPERS for the remainder of the match. Any KEEPERS that a ROBOT may POSSESS
must be immediately released and dropped to the floor.

Can we "repossess" keepers after they have been dropped? In other words, after they have been dropped, can we "herd" them around on the floor or pick them up if they are in an inconvenient spot for example.

[Ricky Q.]

Originally Posted by jesusfreakmths

INPROTANT!!!!

Lets say we are blue. the red team has 8 in a row. if we as the blue team take off 1 or 2 of there tubes and place them somewhere else. Does that dusrupt there row?

It doesn't matter if you take them off, once they are scored they are scored for that alliance.

Originally Posted by FRC Manual

<G20> De-scoring - ROBOTS may not remove RINGERS or KEEPERS once they are HANGING.
If a RINGER or KEEPER is moved out of a HANGING configuration after the POSSESSING
ROBOT has released it, it is still considered HANGING. If a ROBOT incidentally removes a
RINGER or KEEPER from the SPIDER LEG on which it was HANGING (e.g. knocks it off
while placing another GAME PIECE), a 10-point penalty will be assessed. Obviously
intentional removal of a RINGER or KEEPER will result in a disqualification of the offending
team.