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Re: Rules Questions

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If you are carrying an inner tube, let's say using the vacuum pump, and another robot in passing knocked the tube out of your possesion, would that count as removing possesion from a team, will the 10 pt penalty be assesed? <G36>
My guess is that the referee would judge whether you did it intentionally or not. If you kept ramming them until the tube fell off then I think you'd get the penalty, but if you hit them once and it fell off I don't think you would.
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Re: Rules Questions

So even during the game once it is there it is there even if you move the tube in the middle of the game?
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Re: Rules Questions

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So even during the game once it is there it is there even if you move the tube in the middle of the game?
Yes, as the rule says, once it is hanging it stays that way, even if taken off accidentally or intentionally.

If you do it accidentally you lose 10 pts, if you are doing it intentionally you will be DQ'd and get 0 points for the match.
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Re: Rules Questions

ok what if you put on the other teams tubes. do you get DQ on that?
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Re: Rules Questions

There's no reason that two robots can't fit on top of one robot.

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Lets say we are blue. the red team has 8 in a row. if we as the blue team take off 1 or 2 of there tubes and place them somewhere else. Does that dusrupt there row?
Check <G20>. If you de-score a keeper or ringer intentionally, you will be disqualified. Doing that accidentally will result in a 10 point penalty. In both cases, the keeper or ringer is still counted as scored.

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Re: Rules Questions

These rules are all right next to each other in Section 7 of the FRC Manual, The Game, go check it out and all your questions will be answered and you won't have to keep asking here.

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<G21> SCORING for opponents - ROBOTS may not HANG a GAME PIECE of an opposing
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Re: Rules Questions

I'm interested in a clarification of rule <G40>
"<G40> Detaching mechanisms - ROBOTS may not intentionally detach parts or leave multiple mechanisms on the field. Violations will result in a 10-point penalty per incident. If an intentionally detached component or mechanism significantly impedes access to the RACK or an ALLIANCE ROBOT during the END GAME, the offending ROBOT will be disqualified from the match."

Since it says "parts or multiple mechanisms" which would lead me to believe plural, it would seem that a robot would be allowed to simply drop a ramp at the beginning of the match and let other robots climb up on it at the end. As long as it was only one ramp.
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Re: Rules Questions

well my team 1778 has been looking in section 7 all over and we can't figure out if you are allowed to posess (carry) the oposite team tubes and or place them. In other words pick them up off the field and then place them or keep them with us. I really don't mean to ask a lot we are all having difficulty understanding the rules. there not really detiled.
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Re: Rules Questions

<G21> SCORING for opponents - ROBOTS may not HANG a GAME PIECE of an opposing
ALLIANCE. If this rule is violated a 10-point penalty will be assessed per infraction.

It doesn't say anything about possessing them, that will have to be asked in the FIRST Q&A.
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Re: Rules Questions

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I'm interested in a clarification of rule <G40>
"<G40> Detaching mechanisms - ROBOTS may not intentionally detach parts or leave multiple mechanisms on the field. Violations will result in a 10-point penalty per incident. If an intentionally detached component or mechanism significantly impedes access to the RACK or an ALLIANCE ROBOT during the END GAME, the offending ROBOT will be disqualified from the match."

Since it says "parts or multiple mechanisms" which would lead me to believe plural, it would seem that a robot would be allowed to simply drop a ramp at the beginning of the match and let other robots climb up on it at the end. As long as it was only one ramp.
read section 8 it talks about the ramp issue in 8.3.1 page 7 <RO6>
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These rules are all right next to each other in Section 7 of the FRC Manual, The Game, go check it out and all your questions will be answered and you won't have to keep asking here.
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I'm interested in a clarification of rule <G40>
"<G40> Detaching mechanisms - ROBOTS may not intentionally detach parts or leave multiple mechanisms on the field. Violations will result in a 10-point penalty per incident. If an intentionally detached component or mechanism significantly impedes access to the RACK or an ALLIANCE ROBOT during the END GAME, the offending ROBOT will be disqualified from the match."

Since it says "parts or multiple mechanisms" which would lead me to believe plural, it would seem that a robot would be allowed to simply drop a ramp at the beginning of the match and let other robots climb up on it at the end. As long as it was only one ramp.
When you say drop, do you mean that a ramp is lowered and still attached to the robot, or allowed to detach from the robot? A ramp could not be intentionally detached.

Also, the manual uses the word "deploy" in a few places, but this doesn't mean "detach". You can "deploy" a ramp if it is still connected to the robot.

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well my team 1778 has been looking in section 7 all over and we can't figure out if you are allowed to posess (carry) the oposite team tubes and or place them. In other words pick them up off the field and then place them or keep them with us. I really don't mean to ask a lot we are all having difficulty understanding the rules. there not really detiled.
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SCORING for opponents - ROBOTS may not HANG a GAME PIECE of an opposing ALLIANCE. If this rule is violated a 10-point penalty will be assessed per infraction.
EDIT: Ahh, every time I try to post an answer, five more posts get in while I'm typing...
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Re: Rules Questions

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When you say drop, do you mean that a ramp is lowered and still attached to the robot, or allowed to detach from the robot? A ramp could not be intentionally detached.

Also, the manual uses the word "deploy" in a few places, but this doesn't mean "detach". You can "deploy" a ramp if it is still connected to the robot.



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I mean detach. It says "multiple" which would mean to me "more than one" which would mean to me that you can detach one ramp and leave it sitting in the HOME ZONE. I know that elsewhere in the manual this is contradicted, but I'm hoping someone has some insight on this.
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I mean detach. It says "multiple" which would mean to me "more than one" which would mean to me that you can detach one ramp and leave it sitting in the HOME ZONE. I know that elsewhere in the manual this is contradicted, but I'm hoping someone has some insight on this.
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Re: Rules Questions

I also have a question about deploying such extending items, and if they are included in the Starting Position Maximum height, or if they can remain un deployed until the match is started.
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